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welcome back everyone to another episode

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of liminal frames I'm your host Nathan

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and I'm joined by my friend and co-host

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Darren EXO academian Darren the

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background that I'm looking at right now

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is markedly different than what I'm used

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to seeing a lot of

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wood veneer wood paneling it's not

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veneer it's actual wood a lot of knots

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you seem like you're in a cabin is that

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accurate to say

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is this a remote viewing exercise or is

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this the live footage

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I think it's live footage

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you are correct sir I am live from my

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new cabin uh in even more Western North

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Carolina so still in the Blue Ridge

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Mountains but further west a couple

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hours away from you now but um been here

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since uh the weekend and it's been great

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like I said I posted to social media

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when you're out for a hike and you see

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warning signs about not feeding

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Sasquatch you know you're in the right

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place yeah well I've got a chance to see

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it and uh I think it's amazing very

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excited for you uh it is uh Serene and

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everything that you've talked about

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wanting so I hope that you enjoy it that

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it brings you uh many of the things that

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you're looking for and I hope I get a

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chance to visit again it seems like a

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great little Retreat to come and hang

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out and get that nature fix

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and you know we were talking before the

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show it uh it's just remarkable we can

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be doing this show uh you know kind of

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in the conditions that we're doing it

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um you know you've got high-speed

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internet there and what is basically a

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forest I mean when I went to visit you

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there were deer literally deer running

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across your front porch uh right I

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thought you were joking I thought you

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were making sort of likeness over the

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top comment and you're like no literally

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there's deers right by your porch

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they're right there yeah no it's uh it's

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pretty amazing what a time to be alive

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and uh it does feel like amazing things

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are happening every week uh you know not

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only in the world but uh in in our topic

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of interest uh things seem to be

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developing and uh you know and maybe

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even building to something and what we

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may get into that on this episode

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um but uh you know we want to cover a

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few different things right I think we

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wanted to take this uh sort of segment

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look at some of the things that some of

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the topics uh that are really closely

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held by many different folks in the

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community uh we know that everybody kind

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of has their pet Theory and when you

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have a pet Theory you also have the

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theories which you reject and we want to

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examine a little bit some of the bias

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that we have in holding on to those

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theories that that for us seem very

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compelling and then also examining like

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why some of the other the ones which we

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reject are so offensive why do they

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offend whereas these other ones seem

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really palatable and everybody is guilty

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of this and and we certainly are as well

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even with our own perspective and the

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way we look at things now we have our

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biases but uh you know I think the best

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way to look at this or kind of to walk

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through it is to kind of go back through

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some of our own Journeys and examine

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some of the the narratives and theories

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that we uh probably rejected out of hand

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initially and then the long that we got

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into this topic the more we kind of said

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wait a minute like hey

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do I actually need to reconsider this do

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I need to come back and take a look at

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that theory that I thought was totally

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bogus is there some validity to it so I

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think we're going to do a little bit of

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exploration and and kind of go through

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the Contours of these different theories

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on this episode

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yeah I mean for me that's been the most

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shocking aspect I think is how far

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reaching this topic is that it leaves no

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other topic unscathed basically that if

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you stay here long enough you end up

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working Your Way backwards and

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questioning some of the assumptions you

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came in with that you never imagined

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you'd have to question I mean just

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assumptions about the nature of reality

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the nature of our society and our

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leadership and our governmental

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structures and the history of the 20th

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century not to mention you know small

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things like the history of mankind

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things like that so I think that is the

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biggest shock we often talk about

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ontological shock in terms of

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encountering beings that are not

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supposed to exist and yet clearly do but

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there's also a kind of conceptual or

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narrative framework shock that we also

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experience I think when you get into

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this topic because as I say it leaves no

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other topic unscathed and you end up

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changing your perspective on pretty much

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in a way this topic is it's kind of a

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catalyst right and I think maybe this is

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true for a lot of

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um unconventional thinking right so and

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we do live in a time I think it's worth

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pointing out where unconventional ideas

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are flourishing in ways that they really

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had a difficult time flourishing before

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uh so the sort of hold that consensus

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reality had on the world was actually

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very very strong uh 20 30 years ago but

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with the Advent of the internet and the

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the prevalence of social media and

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sharing different ideas have a chance to

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kind of find fertile soil and and just

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the act of entertaining those ideas even

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if you are going to discard them

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outright you know if you're going to

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just reject them and not even allow them

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to enter into your you know sort of

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closely held belief system you have to

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wrestle with them to some degree in ways

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that maybe you didn't even have to

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encounter them before and I think that

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that bear is pointing out because just

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the uh the kind of glancing pass or the

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you know the the peripherally touching

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of these ideas is going to change you in

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some way and is going to change the way

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in which you you know absorb information

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or or uh assimilate information into

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your current framework and so you know I

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think I'm I I think we can all look at

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that many ways and go oh that that's a

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bad thing because now we're kind of you

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know we're flooded with information and

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it's really messing up our our uh our in

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a sort of rigid or our helpful

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differently that it's a positive thing

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that is actually allowing us to stretch

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to grow and to be open to different ways

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of thinking and as you've pointed out

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many times changing the way you think

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actually does change you know the

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reality that that you live in and so I

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think uh you know as we explore these

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the different theories it's really worth

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keeping that in mind

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absolutely and you know you talked there

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briefly about you know the internet and

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the the kind of society we live in where

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it's you know interconnected and we can

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talk to people all around the world and

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you know one of the great experiences

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for me and this journey has been being

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contacted with and becoming good friends

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with people you know all over the place

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but I would also say one of the

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interesting shifts that's happened that

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I think no one was expecting and this

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will play into what we're going to talk

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about a bit later in terms of control

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control structures and things like that

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you say you know when the internet came

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around everyone thought well this is you

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know the bastrum Bastion of real Freedom

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right because you know there's it's the

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post-censorship generation you can

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anybody can start up a blog or whatever

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and show whatever information they want

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and while of course there's those memes

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out there that say you know how do you

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know that's true some guy on the

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internet told me you know it's kind of

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like this like joke uh you know you

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don't have to have any real

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um credentials and a certain topic to be

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able to talk about them as much as you

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want and people might actually take you

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seriously which is concerning to some

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people

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but on the other hand what I think we've

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seen more recently is actually more

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consolidation in media including

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internet internet media that's that's

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quite concerning where

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for instance you know if you really want

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to have a channel like we do and I do

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with point of convergence why not then

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you really kind of need to be on YouTube

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really to reach the audience so we went

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from when the internet began this notion

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of like everyone could have a Blog and

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you know you could find so many

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different sources for information now

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most people spend the majority of their

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time on maybe three or four sites right

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social media you know YouTube that kind

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of thing

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um and really I don't think that's what

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any of us were expecting and in some

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ways it's a turn away from freedom I

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think and Freedom of Information because

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of course when you consolidate those

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those structures of course then you have

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yeah that's something we need to keep in

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mind that uh that that control of the

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flow of information really does control

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the way in which we think uh you know

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because we're just exposed to it all the

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time and if you want to even function in

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the society that we have you basically

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have to be plugged in uh you can

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certainly try to not be but you might as

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well try to live off grid and and not

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you know really associate with any

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anybody in barter for your goods instead

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of you know go to a Traditional Bank for

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that matter so it's uh it's definitely a

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concerning Trend and uh something that I

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think actually even ties into some of

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the uh topics that we're going to cover

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so why don't we Jump Right In I mean the

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very first one that was on your list I

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love this one because there's a lot of

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different facets to it is this notion of

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of government cooperation with alien

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groups of some kind so we've we've heard

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uh of the stories of uh you know

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meetings with groups and Deals being

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done and uh you know they're giving us

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uh some of their Tech in exchange for

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our cooperation

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but you know of course total denial that

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we've ever done that

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um and that their Tech has influenced a

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lot of our our technology not that we're

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just using theirs we're actually kind of

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developing our own Tech based on what

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they've provided us and I think a lot of

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folks when they hear that uh you know

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like the tinfoil hats like you're

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already making it on the counter you

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know with the aluminum with the Illumina

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Ray put it on because it just seems so

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crazy you know how could our government

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be doing that but uh

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you know is there some validity to this

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I mean how do you think about this one

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and what was your initial reaction to

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that kind of uh idea

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well yeah initially I thought it was

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kind of cuckoo and um too far down the

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conspiracy train

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um you know I think this is one of the

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ones where I've had to really do a 180

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and and reconsider again my assumptions

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about the nature of leadership governing

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structures behind our civilization all

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of that

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because you know I think my initially my

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my assumption my you know preconception

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of the world and of governing structures

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was that you know mostly people that

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govern us are like us they're our

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neighbors and we elect them and they

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sure they're they sometimes are taking

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money on the side and are Power Players

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but for the most part the system works

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democratically to you know empower the

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people that elect the representatives is

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sort of the notion I had not not naively

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thinking it just worked like a charm but

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thinking again ever since sort of I was

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in high school and then seeing no moves

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in Europe towards unification and this

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sense of a global populace and Global

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civilization was really coming into the

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fore those seemed like positive moves

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um and yet

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what this topic has really confronted me

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with is the shocking degree of secrecy

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and even

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re-framing of reality uh the

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constructing of false narratives

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blatantly false narratives sometimes

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with you know some caveats that there

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are some aspects of disclosure that

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would be quite destabilizing which we've

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talked about on the show so I'm not

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saying everyone who's opted to not share

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this is doing so for nefarious means

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reasons but but a lot of it is and um

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some of it was as we've talked about

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before decided on the Fly because of the

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situation like for instance the middle

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of the Cold War and then it becomes just

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part of the culture gets entrenched and

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and goes on next thing you know it's 70

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80 years has been going on kind of thing

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so

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yes when you really take that to

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its full extent you end up with a

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question around

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dealing with these stories these

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experiences you hear about part of the

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experiential literature of people not

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only running into aliens but running

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into what look like military type humans

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which raises the question are these

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off-earth human beings which is possible

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I mean those certainly do exist the

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humanoid and even the human looking

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shape is one of the most common probably

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the most common encounter type really

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especially if you split up the Grays

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into the tall Graves and small Graves

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but it's very very common but we have

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other evidence like for instance Terry

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Lovelace uh talked about this in his

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interview with our friend James iandoli

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on engaging the phenomenon that when he

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was on board a craft and had been

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abducted he and his friend

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and of course they were in the military

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right and when he recounts the story it

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sounds like the entire thing was a setup

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he feels like they knew about it even

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the questions he was asked afterwards

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the interrogation he went through gave

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him the impression that they knew about

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this but on top of that he remembers

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very clearly being on board the craft

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and seeing human beings walking around

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with the same type of military boots

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that he was issued

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as being part of the military so not

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only did they look human

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but they were wearing the same issued

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military boots that he was issued as a

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military person so that is those kind of

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small details that I was paying very

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close attention to not so much the big

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thrust the big thrust people could make

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up but but little details like that that

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say

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okay even if you allow for off-earth

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humans why would they be wearing this

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particular brand of military boots right

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right and it's sort of you sort of like

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that's just one detail but you add them

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all together you start looking at you

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know treaties that were supposedly made

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between like the Eisenhower

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Administration and a group of aliens and

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of course at first I just thought come

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on that's ridiculous I never forget the

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first time I heard that I just thought

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like I had a hard time keeping a

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straight face and yet since then have

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had to again really eat some Humble Pie

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because over and over again I've been

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shown more and more evidence

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partly to do with you know sometimes

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people ask me what kind of evidence do I

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mean partly it's because we now have as

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I've hinted at before so much data

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that's been now

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collated and put together in these

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massive databases that we can now sort

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through with artificial intelligence to

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find these connections and find these

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parts of history that were tried to be

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buried before right but the thing is

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what you could bury in 1960 or 1980 you

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can't bury anymore and in fact what was

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buried is now Unearthed because even if

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these were documents in somebody's

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private library or something they have

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now been gathered they've been digitized

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been put into this database and we're

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finding that we're able to construct a

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narrative that is strikingly different

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than the narrative we were told and one

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of the key pieces involves yes

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cooperation and even treaties made

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between human beings human governments

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and alien groups yeah yeah I mean you

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hear uh there's that saying in a way

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that if you want to hide something just

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you know leave it in plain sight

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basically you know and so there's a lot

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of these stories that are interwoven

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with other stories and and UFO lore and

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you know it's hard hard to make heads or

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tails of all of them so you just kind of

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throw them all out

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um and I think we underestimate the

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degree to which

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maybe some minor concessions would have

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been made initially to keep something

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secret and then as time went on those

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minor concessions had to grow and grow

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and grow into larger concessions that

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may have

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kind of butt up against some of our

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societal norms and our and Norms of our

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democracy for example you know so

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there's

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um you know a little bit of a

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disconcerting sense in which

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um and I think people have an intuitive

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sense of this that not only do the

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elites you know kind of have a greater

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they operate in a kind of reality that

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none of us operate in that the rules

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don't apply to them in the way that

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rules apply to the rest of us so we all

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we all understand that just on on face

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now but to the degree to which

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their their do seem to be some kinds of

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alternate forces at work

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um that you know we would have brushed

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aside as being absolutely uh absurd but

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you know if you do think about if we if

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we

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engineering program to understand it you

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know if you can if you can make those

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kinds of concessions it's not hard to go

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from there to many other facets in the

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literature you know in terms of

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encounters with beings dealings with

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beings uh you know agreements that were

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made that really made it difficult to

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get out of those agreements you know so

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it's uh you know while we may be kind of

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short on

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the finer details I think it's not hard

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to see how some there is some truth to

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that uh you know and I remember too you

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know another aspect of this is that um

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you know I hear this from my friend d DJ

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you know from the Air Force perspective

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you know that if we had this kind of

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tech we would be using this kind of tech

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you know why aren't we using it so that

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there's that bias as well you know

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surely we would be deploying this kind

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of technology in our different you know

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theaters of operation but if we have

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Superior technology that isn't that

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advanced and we don't want people to

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know that we have that super advanced

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stuff why would we use it right so it

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you know you can understand why we might

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try to keep a tight lid on that as long

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as possible

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yeah several things to touch on there

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because you made some great points

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one I think is

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because we already have the we're really

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the only remaining superpower in the

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world right now although China is

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gaining steam pretty quickly

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um

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we can ironically even with our own

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mostly terrestrial Tech although you

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know crosso would tell you that much of

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our terrestrial attack was actually

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re-engineered alien recovered Tech in

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the 20th century

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but even our Cutting Edge Tech that's

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mostly terrestrial in terms of its

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origination is already still uh far

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superior to many other nations if not

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all nations and so

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what I'm saying is to counter what DJ's

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saying there is I think we can actually

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still be the dominant player in the

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theater of war

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with our own Tech without giving away

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that we actually have a whole nother

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level of tech

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that's Ultra top secret that you know

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uses things like reverse engine or sorry

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anti-gravity you know like

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um zero point things like that I think

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are in the picture

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um but it's just completely kept out of

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the public light all together

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which means of course yes that the

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elites who are willing to yet let um you

522
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know young people go to war and die in

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Wars they don't really have to fight

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that way because we have

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technology that could make that

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um you know unnecessary

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but again that's kind of the way that

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they work they as you said they live

529
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differently than the rest of us they

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tend to see the rest of the world as

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pawns and they're you know very much

532
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caught up in that kind of power play

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power player kind of mentality a

534
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zero-sum game that if

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um the only way for me to take more the

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cake is to give less to somebody else I

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mean that's just the kind of the way

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they think that's their mentality that's

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their level of Consciousness and so when

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you think back to the 20th century and

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uh an alien intelligence intelligence uh

542
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comes on the scene or you become aware

543
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of it anyway even if they were maybe

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here already

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and you see and are in awe of their

546
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degree of technological superiority and

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your entire mindset your entire modus

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operandi is around dominating

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technologically in this theater of war

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and you see what they have to offer you

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00:20:51,890 --> 00:20:49,320
suddenly you're willing to you know

552
00:20:53,390 --> 00:20:51,900
offer a lot in return make a deal with

553
00:20:55,970 --> 00:20:53,400
the devil so to say

554
00:20:57,950 --> 00:20:55,980
um in order to obtain that Tech and in

555
00:21:00,409 --> 00:20:57,960
your in your mind think it's Justified

556
00:21:02,150 --> 00:21:00,419
because you think your nation states the

557
00:21:03,770 --> 00:21:02,160
one that should be in power and this

558
00:21:06,169 --> 00:21:03,780
will guarantee that your nation state

559
00:21:08,390 --> 00:21:06,179
will be in power for like perhaps even

560
00:21:10,970 --> 00:21:08,400
hundreds of years to come because the

561
00:21:14,570 --> 00:21:10,980
technology is so so next next next-gen

562
00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:14,580
so this is kind of what happens and it's

563
00:21:18,169 --> 00:21:16,080
a sad

564
00:21:20,210 --> 00:21:18,179
sorted pale of

565
00:21:22,970 --> 00:21:20,220
people maybe sometimes beginning with

566
00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:22,980
some of the right ideas in mind some of

567
00:21:27,770 --> 00:21:24,480
the right ends in mind and it just

568
00:21:29,390 --> 00:21:27,780
completely becoming part of a culture

569
00:21:31,730 --> 00:21:29,400
um that becomes entrenched and then you

570
00:21:34,430 --> 00:21:31,740
have a situation where you now have

571
00:21:36,350 --> 00:21:34,440
aspects of our quote-unquote government

572
00:21:39,169 --> 00:21:36,360
I even say that with hesitation because

573
00:21:41,090 --> 00:21:39,179
it's largely outside the you know the

574
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:41,100
rule of law and any kind of democratic

575
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:42,960
control of the American people

576
00:21:47,270 --> 00:21:44,880
you know we're now learning that

577
00:21:48,350 --> 00:21:47,280
Congress is doing its darndest to find

578
00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:48,360
out what's happening in our own

579
00:21:53,090 --> 00:21:50,159
government right when your own Congress

580
00:21:54,409 --> 00:21:53,100
is having to you know fight so hard just

581
00:21:56,090 --> 00:21:54,419
to find out what's going on and where

582
00:21:57,350 --> 00:21:56,100
all of our taxpayer money is going the

583
00:22:00,169 --> 00:21:57,360
trillions of dollars that have

584
00:22:03,169 --> 00:22:00,179
disappeared over the years

585
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:03,179
um this is this is disconcerting um

586
00:22:11,149 --> 00:22:08,990
one thing I've hinted at before

587
00:22:12,169 --> 00:22:11,159
that we can maybe touch on later has to

588
00:22:14,750 --> 00:22:12,179
do with

589
00:22:16,850 --> 00:22:14,760
yes there are you know positive alien

590
00:22:18,649 --> 00:22:16,860
groups benevolent alien groups but

591
00:22:20,029 --> 00:22:18,659
amongst the total structure there's this

592
00:22:21,289 --> 00:22:20,039
real sense of

593
00:22:24,409 --> 00:22:21,299
um

594
00:22:25,850 --> 00:22:24,419
letting free will take its take its role

595
00:22:27,890 --> 00:22:25,860
you know just to see how it was going to

596
00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:27,900
play out and for an entire civilization

597
00:22:32,029 --> 00:22:30,720
to learn through trial and error what is

598
00:22:33,470 --> 00:22:32,039
a good thing to do what's not a good

599
00:22:35,930 --> 00:22:33,480
thing to do what's in your best interest

600
00:22:38,270 --> 00:22:35,940
what's not in the long run and so even

601
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:38,280
though some of my question why would the

602
00:22:42,649 --> 00:22:41,280
benevolent group stand aside while

603
00:22:45,409 --> 00:22:42,659
um some Power Players in human

604
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:45,419
leadership setting quotes make deals

605
00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:47,039
with less than benevolent or

606
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:48,720
opportunistic groups why do they stand

607
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:51,120
aside it's largely because you know we

608
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:53,280
need to learn this lesson about knowing

609
00:22:58,130 --> 00:22:55,919
who we actually letting lead us and and

610
00:23:00,890 --> 00:22:58,140
and experiencing the consequences of

611
00:23:03,890 --> 00:23:00,900
when that gets out of its out of our uh

612
00:23:05,570 --> 00:23:03,900
control and gets beyond our Horizon of

613
00:23:08,149 --> 00:23:05,580
understanding so that we do take more

614
00:23:10,610 --> 00:23:08,159
responsibility but it's nevertheless put

615
00:23:12,049 --> 00:23:10,620
us in a pretty tricky situation where I

616
00:23:14,930 --> 00:23:12,059
find myself

617
00:23:16,909 --> 00:23:14,940
just kind of in shock in terms of where

618
00:23:18,169 --> 00:23:16,919
we really are what's really going on

619
00:23:20,870 --> 00:23:18,179
behind the scenes in terms of

620
00:23:22,909 --> 00:23:20,880
multinational power plays and control

621
00:23:24,649 --> 00:23:22,919
that you know the vast majority of the

622
00:23:27,649 --> 00:23:24,659
billions of people living in the world

623
00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:27,659
just have no clue about yeah well you

624
00:23:33,409 --> 00:23:30,000
did touch on you know and expanded on it

625
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:33,419
a little bit too the uh this notion of

626
00:23:37,970 --> 00:23:36,000
you know less than benevolent aliens you

627
00:23:40,730 --> 00:23:37,980
know so that that's certainly a very

628
00:23:44,090 --> 00:23:40,740
popular idea and many circles in ufology

629
00:23:46,610 --> 00:23:44,100
that uh whatever the beings are they're

630
00:23:49,130 --> 00:23:46,620
they're just love and light any negative

631
00:23:53,390 --> 00:23:49,140
aspect of this encounter or experience

632
00:23:56,990 --> 00:23:53,400
is human in origin uh it can't possibly

633
00:23:58,549 --> 00:23:57,000
be these other beings and uh you know

634
00:24:00,409 --> 00:23:58,559
we've we've touched on this a few times

635
00:24:04,130 --> 00:24:00,419
before but it

636
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:04,140
you know at the bias there right is that

637
00:24:09,409 --> 00:24:06,480
well you know something that would be

638
00:24:12,409 --> 00:24:09,419
more advanced than us uh surely would be

639
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:12,419
more like morally uh Superior they would

640
00:24:15,470 --> 00:24:13,919
they would have a higher ethical

641
00:24:16,850 --> 00:24:15,480
standard they would

642
00:24:18,110 --> 00:24:16,860
um they would have nothing but our best

643
00:24:20,330 --> 00:24:18,120
interest they would have the best

644
00:24:22,430 --> 00:24:20,340
interests of all beings at heart

645
00:24:25,490 --> 00:24:22,440
um there couldn't possibly be any kind

646
00:24:27,950 --> 00:24:25,500
of negative uh you know ulterior motive

647
00:24:29,630 --> 00:24:27,960
at play in a being that is more advanced

648
00:24:32,990 --> 00:24:29,640
than that than we are that that's the

649
00:24:36,289 --> 00:24:33,000
bias right that kind of equating uh in a

650
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:36,299
way like technological advancement or uh

651
00:24:41,630 --> 00:24:38,159
maybe even the age of a civilization

652
00:24:44,090 --> 00:24:41,640
with you know kind of moral behavior and

653
00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:44,100
uh that's not a good comparison at all

654
00:24:48,289 --> 00:24:45,840
right that's not a good conclusion to

655
00:24:50,090 --> 00:24:48,299
draw at all based on even our own

656
00:24:52,970 --> 00:24:50,100
standards we we have we've seen that

657
00:24:55,730 --> 00:24:52,980
that's not been true in human history

658
00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:55,740
um and so as we pointed out many times

659
00:25:00,470 --> 00:24:58,080
they're they're very likely are many

660
00:25:01,789 --> 00:25:00,480
groups at work uh as you just talked

661
00:25:04,850 --> 00:25:01,799
about it a little bit there

662
00:25:08,270 --> 00:25:04,860
who all have their own

663
00:25:11,230 --> 00:25:08,280
just like we do have their own paths to

664
00:25:15,230 --> 00:25:11,240
walk have their own lessons to learn

665
00:25:18,770 --> 00:25:15,240
they have the freedom to choose wisely

666
00:25:21,049 --> 00:25:18,780
or choose poorly and just like even in

667
00:25:23,630 --> 00:25:21,059
our society where we have human beings

668
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:23,640
who want to do the right thing and a lot

669
00:25:29,149 --> 00:25:26,400
of us really work hard to try to do the

670
00:25:31,730 --> 00:25:29,159
right thing but every single day we're

671
00:25:33,409 --> 00:25:31,740
doing something that probably isn't the

672
00:25:35,149 --> 00:25:33,419
right thing you know we're because we're

673
00:25:36,110 --> 00:25:35,159
and we're complicit in that entire

674
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:36,120
system

675
00:25:40,730 --> 00:25:38,400
right so like I have a neighbor who uh

676
00:25:42,169 --> 00:25:40,740
who loves talk about you know how he

677
00:25:44,570 --> 00:25:42,179
won't buy anything from this particular

678
00:25:46,850 --> 00:25:44,580
brand because you know oh it's it's so

679
00:25:47,870 --> 00:25:46,860
and so and you know it's so so bad I'm

680
00:25:49,789 --> 00:25:47,880
like well let's take a look at your

681
00:25:51,049 --> 00:25:49,799
stock portfolio you know what kind of

682
00:25:52,850 --> 00:25:51,059
things are you invested in that you

683
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:52,860
don't even realize you know are you

684
00:25:56,690 --> 00:25:54,480
meticulously going through all of that

685
00:25:58,490 --> 00:25:56,700
and making sure that everything that you

686
00:26:00,649 --> 00:25:58,500
were invested in is in perfect alignment

687
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:00,659
with your value system probably not

688
00:26:07,610 --> 00:26:03,840
right so as you just touched on this is

689
00:26:09,950 --> 00:26:07,620
a a kind of weaves into the system in

690
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:09,960
which we have all ascented to be part of

691
00:26:16,130 --> 00:26:13,440
that we have either built through our

692
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:16,140
own uh you know direct volition we've

693
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:18,480
decided I am going to further this way

694
00:26:23,930 --> 00:26:21,600
of being or I'm going to allow it to

695
00:26:27,769 --> 00:26:23,940
persist just by my mere Act of

696
00:26:30,169 --> 00:26:27,779
participation and that just just as that

697
00:26:32,930 --> 00:26:30,179
whole scenario is true for us it's true

698
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:32,940
for other beings as well right they are

699
00:26:38,450 --> 00:26:35,039
also part of systems they also have

700
00:26:41,450 --> 00:26:38,460
things that that are you know higher

701
00:26:42,830 --> 00:26:41,460
value uh you know judgments and you know

702
00:26:44,450 --> 00:26:42,840
things that aren't good things that are

703
00:26:46,850 --> 00:26:44,460
are good so that they're a part of it

704
00:26:49,130 --> 00:26:46,860
and we're all trying to find our way and

705
00:26:50,750 --> 00:26:49,140
learn lessons along the way we all have

706
00:26:53,330 --> 00:26:50,760
to have that freedom too to make

707
00:26:55,970 --> 00:26:53,340
mistakes and do some bad things even if

708
00:26:57,950 --> 00:26:55,980
we didn't intend it

709
00:27:00,409 --> 00:26:57,960
yeah I mean there's numerous things to

710
00:27:01,610 --> 00:27:00,419
touch on there when you talked about you

711
00:27:03,049 --> 00:27:01,620
know people making the mistake of

712
00:27:04,850 --> 00:27:03,059
thinking that because the civilization

713
00:27:07,610 --> 00:27:04,860
is older or more technologically

714
00:27:09,529 --> 00:27:07,620
advanced that they would you know also

715
00:27:11,810 --> 00:27:09,539
be more morally advanced

716
00:27:13,490 --> 00:27:11,820
I see that kind of mistake happening all

717
00:27:15,409 --> 00:27:13,500
the time in kind of the guru culture

718
00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:15,419
right where I mean you've heard this so

719
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:16,799
many times it's like a broken record

720
00:27:21,649 --> 00:27:18,960
you're like how do people not get this

721
00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:21,659
by now but people who come across some

722
00:27:25,610 --> 00:27:23,279
Guru kind of character some sort of

723
00:27:28,490 --> 00:27:25,620
spiritual uh Mystic or something that

724
00:27:30,169 --> 00:27:28,500
has real penetrating insight into the

725
00:27:32,289 --> 00:27:30,179
metaphysical aspects of reality they

726
00:27:35,210 --> 00:27:32,299
have real penetrating spiritual Insight

727
00:27:38,029 --> 00:27:35,220
that is demonstrable and so people say

728
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:38,039
wow this is like you know Gandhi or the

729
00:27:42,830 --> 00:27:40,080
Buddha or Jesus I mean when someone has

730
00:27:44,750 --> 00:27:42,840
this much spiritual Insight they they

731
00:27:47,090 --> 00:27:44,760
must be you know like a messiah like

732
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:47,100
figure and so they they put aside all

733
00:27:50,330 --> 00:27:48,720
their common sense all the discernment

734
00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:50,340
all the red flags that are you know

735
00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:52,799
flaring in front of their their eyes and

736
00:27:56,090 --> 00:27:54,240
they sort of blindly follow these people

737
00:27:57,430 --> 00:27:56,100
making that assumption right that if

738
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:57,440
they're

739
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:59,760
possessing penetrating spiritual Insight

740
00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:01,200
that they must be advanced in all these

741
00:28:06,049 --> 00:28:03,120
other areas too they must be you know

742
00:28:07,370 --> 00:28:06,059
morally exemplary right and then they

743
00:28:09,289 --> 00:28:07,380
find out that they're sleeping with the

744
00:28:11,390 --> 00:28:09,299
students or they're like you know put

745
00:28:13,070 --> 00:28:11,400
building a fund for you know

746
00:28:14,570 --> 00:28:13,080
impoverished people in Tibet and then

747
00:28:16,490 --> 00:28:14,580
running off to Florida with it you know

748
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:16,500
some that kind of thing like you hear

749
00:28:19,850 --> 00:28:18,240
these stories over and over again and

750
00:28:21,950 --> 00:28:19,860
you and you just amazes you that people

751
00:28:24,590 --> 00:28:21,960
haven't caught wind of this kind of

752
00:28:26,990 --> 00:28:24,600
scheme yet but it's largely because of

753
00:28:28,430 --> 00:28:27,000
that same error of assuming that if you

754
00:28:30,350 --> 00:28:28,440
have one kind of ability or one kind of

755
00:28:32,090 --> 00:28:30,360
intelligence one kind of capacity that

756
00:28:33,950 --> 00:28:32,100
it means you're advanced in all the

757
00:28:35,450 --> 00:28:33,960
others too and again one of the things

758
00:28:37,010 --> 00:28:35,460
that Ken Wilbur really helped teach me

759
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:37,020
was that there's different kinds of

760
00:28:42,169 --> 00:28:39,600
intelligence and they they don't

761
00:28:44,330 --> 00:28:42,179
progress equally you know you can be

762
00:28:45,470 --> 00:28:44,340
quite advanced in one and not another so

763
00:28:48,769 --> 00:28:45,480
you could have someone who's like

764
00:28:50,510 --> 00:28:48,779
mathematically excels but their moral

765
00:28:53,149 --> 00:28:50,520
advancement or their interpersonal

766
00:28:56,390 --> 00:28:53,159
intelligence is quite low right we've

767
00:28:57,769 --> 00:28:56,400
met people like this so we should be on

768
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:57,779
the lookout for this with the alien in

769
00:29:01,070 --> 00:28:59,279
groups and

770
00:29:02,810 --> 00:29:01,080
it's probably just that extension of

771
00:29:04,909 --> 00:29:02,820
that Messiah like they are the other

772
00:29:07,070 --> 00:29:04,919
right the proverbial other and so

773
00:29:09,529 --> 00:29:07,080
they're here to finally Deliver Us of

774
00:29:12,830 --> 00:29:09,539
all our sins and all of our problems

775
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:12,840
but they're not they're just also

776
00:29:17,330 --> 00:29:15,120
creatures of A Sort that are like you

777
00:29:19,730 --> 00:29:17,340
said on a journey themselves and so we

778
00:29:22,010 --> 00:29:19,740
have to exercise more discernment than

779
00:29:23,630 --> 00:29:22,020
ever I would say because we have a lot

780
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:23,640
more to be aware of and not just in

781
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:24,960
terms of what's playing out in the world

782
00:29:28,669 --> 00:29:26,640
but as I've been hinting at more and

783
00:29:30,649 --> 00:29:28,679
more in social media and whatnot being

784
00:29:33,010 --> 00:29:30,659
aware of our psychical environment what

785
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:33,020
is influencing us psychically

786
00:29:38,029 --> 00:29:36,480
being cognizant of what comes across

787
00:29:41,210 --> 00:29:38,039
your mind and where it comes from and

788
00:29:43,730 --> 00:29:41,220
and the origination of it because when

789
00:29:45,169 --> 00:29:43,740
we really develop a subtle skill in that

790
00:29:47,510 --> 00:29:45,179
area we find that actually there's

791
00:29:49,610 --> 00:29:47,520
thoughts impulses coming in that are not

792
00:29:50,750 --> 00:29:49,620
from us which shouldn't surprise us

793
00:29:52,430 --> 00:29:50,760
because again as we've been talking

794
00:29:55,490 --> 00:29:52,440
about with Consciousness being primary

795
00:29:57,649 --> 00:29:55,500
we are all ultimately connected now no

796
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:57,659
individuality is an illusion we have

797
00:30:02,570 --> 00:29:59,760
porous boundaries between us and so even

798
00:30:05,630 --> 00:30:02,580
if we think everything's like a walked

799
00:30:08,029 --> 00:30:05,640
tight inside the the cell of my mind no

800
00:30:10,130 --> 00:30:08,039
such thing as the case right so

801
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:10,140
yeah these uh these are things to keep

802
00:30:11,630 --> 00:30:11,250
in mind and

803
00:30:13,130 --> 00:30:11,640
[Music]

804
00:30:15,409 --> 00:30:13,140
um

805
00:30:17,330 --> 00:30:15,419
it's it's a lot for people to sort of

806
00:30:18,409 --> 00:30:17,340
sort of take on but uh but these are

807
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:18,419
things people need to be aware of

808
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:20,880
because these things are not just

809
00:30:24,830 --> 00:30:22,320
science fiction stories is actually

810
00:30:27,230 --> 00:30:24,840
happening okay

811
00:30:29,570 --> 00:30:27,240
well when we talk about tech another

812
00:30:31,850 --> 00:30:29,580
common

813
00:30:33,889 --> 00:30:31,860
you know issue that pops up is this

814
00:30:35,810 --> 00:30:33,899
notion that uh

815
00:30:39,289 --> 00:30:35,820
you know they have this Advanced Tech

816
00:30:40,970 --> 00:30:39,299
how could it possibly uh break down you

817
00:30:43,730 --> 00:30:40,980
know in Earth in Earth's atmosphere

818
00:30:46,610 --> 00:30:43,740
crash uh if it can travel between

819
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:46,620
galaxies how could it break down I mean

820
00:30:51,850 --> 00:30:48,960
on the face it's a great

821
00:30:54,289 --> 00:30:51,860
a question uh

822
00:30:56,269 --> 00:30:54,299
if it's Superior in every single way

823
00:30:57,769 --> 00:30:56,279
like why would it fall apart when it

824
00:30:59,450 --> 00:30:57,779
gets here it just doesn't make a lot of

825
00:31:01,730 --> 00:30:59,460
sense just did it run out of gas does it

826
00:31:03,230 --> 00:31:01,740
is our atmosphere is not well suited for

827
00:31:05,149 --> 00:31:03,240
it it's just some sort of engineering

828
00:31:07,010 --> 00:31:05,159
thing they didn't plan for uh which

829
00:31:08,090 --> 00:31:07,020
seems a little bit bizarre with all

830
00:31:11,510 --> 00:31:08,100
their amazing Technology and

831
00:31:13,490 --> 00:31:11,520
metamaterial Engineering so uh what's

832
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:13,500
going on there why why does that one

833
00:31:17,570 --> 00:31:15,840
understand why we come to that

834
00:31:19,549 --> 00:31:17,580
conclusion but why do we think that

835
00:31:21,310 --> 00:31:19,559
there's some validity to it what's at

836
00:31:23,930 --> 00:31:21,320
play there

837
00:31:25,250 --> 00:31:23,940
this one is a complex one partly because

838
00:31:28,130 --> 00:31:25,260
I think

839
00:31:29,690 --> 00:31:28,140
again people like to conflate and and to

840
00:31:32,090 --> 00:31:29,700
simplify things in their mind have less

841
00:31:33,529 --> 00:31:32,100
cognitive load they they tend to group

842
00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:33,539
these all together all these different

843
00:31:39,470 --> 00:31:36,720
crashes slash Landings slash contact

844
00:31:41,090 --> 00:31:39,480
groups and

845
00:31:43,250 --> 00:31:41,100
really you can't do that I think you

846
00:31:45,470 --> 00:31:43,260
have to try to tease out individual

847
00:31:47,090 --> 00:31:45,480
events individual different groups that

848
00:31:49,029 --> 00:31:47,100
have been contacted

849
00:31:52,190 --> 00:31:49,039
I've seen some compelling evidence

850
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:52,200
around some of the most famous cases

851
00:31:56,810 --> 00:31:53,760
actually being different groups that are

852
00:31:59,570 --> 00:31:56,820
being caught that are in play

853
00:32:01,490 --> 00:31:59,580
and so

854
00:32:03,169 --> 00:32:01,500
one of the ways that people sort of

855
00:32:04,490 --> 00:32:03,179
quickly and I and I went through this

856
00:32:06,169 --> 00:32:04,500
season too and I think you probably did

857
00:32:08,750 --> 00:32:06,179
too I think most of us

858
00:32:10,730 --> 00:32:08,760
on the sort of Consciousness bent

859
00:32:14,210 --> 00:32:10,740
tended to land here right speaking of

860
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:14,220
landing and that was that these were

861
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:16,080
just gifting Fields right this was

862
00:32:20,090 --> 00:32:17,760
there's no such thing as alien craft

863
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:20,100
that crash I mean come on they just

864
00:32:24,350 --> 00:32:22,559
you know they don't have they they can

865
00:32:26,090 --> 00:32:24,360
fly from Alpha Centauri and then just

866
00:32:28,669 --> 00:32:26,100
can't navigate a mountain range you know

867
00:32:32,269 --> 00:32:28,679
like gravity is too much for them really

868
00:32:34,430 --> 00:32:32,279
but so so we we sort of again because we

869
00:32:35,510 --> 00:32:34,440
ascribe to them all these Advanced you

870
00:32:37,610 --> 00:32:35,520
know

871
00:32:39,950 --> 00:32:37,620
um capacities we say they just couldn't

872
00:32:41,690 --> 00:32:39,960
happen it's Preposterous right it's

873
00:32:44,210 --> 00:32:41,700
offensive to even consider such a notion

874
00:32:45,950 --> 00:32:44,220
and only uneducated people would believe

875
00:32:48,649 --> 00:32:45,960
that you know alien craft that came

876
00:32:51,649 --> 00:32:48,659
across the Galaxy could crash upon

877
00:32:57,230 --> 00:32:55,070
now I think what I'm saying is that I

878
00:32:58,730 --> 00:32:57,240
think will offend sort of people on both

879
00:33:02,570 --> 00:32:58,740
sides of the equation because I think

880
00:33:05,450 --> 00:33:02,580
there have been times where some of the

881
00:33:07,549 --> 00:33:05,460
wreckage that's been come across was

882
00:33:09,529 --> 00:33:07,559
planned although I don't think it's

883
00:33:12,649 --> 00:33:09,539
always the case that the beings involved

884
00:33:14,990 --> 00:33:12,659
specifically knew that they were going

885
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:15,000
to be kind of on a Kamikaze mission of

886
00:33:17,570 --> 00:33:16,080
sorts

887
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:17,580
but I think that's been part of the

888
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:18,480
picture

889
00:33:22,970 --> 00:33:20,159
I also think there's times where we

890
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:22,980
literally have shot them down

891
00:33:26,750 --> 00:33:25,440
even with World War II kind of

892
00:33:28,850 --> 00:33:26,760
technology which I know sound a little

893
00:33:30,529 --> 00:33:28,860
bit will offend some people right we're

894
00:33:33,169 --> 00:33:30,539
talking today about offensive narratives

895
00:33:35,330 --> 00:33:33,179
some people be offended by that notion

896
00:33:38,029 --> 00:33:35,340
again how could you have technology that

897
00:33:40,130 --> 00:33:38,039
still looks so futuristic to us in 2023

898
00:33:43,850 --> 00:33:40,140
that could be shot down by a World War

899
00:33:45,950 --> 00:33:43,860
II Tech I mean come on but that seems to

900
00:33:48,889 --> 00:33:45,960
be what the evidence suggests and even

901
00:33:50,690 --> 00:33:48,899
things like a certain configuration of

902
00:33:54,350 --> 00:33:50,700
radar this has sort of come out in part

903
00:33:56,029 --> 00:33:54,360
of the AI digging of the Treasure Trove

904
00:33:57,950 --> 00:33:56,039
of historical documents from the 20th

905
00:34:01,130 --> 00:33:57,960
century is that it seems to be the case

906
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:01,140
that a certain kind of craft a kind of

907
00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:03,600
Sentinel craft smaller craft that was

908
00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:06,240
known to be here around the middle part

909
00:34:10,490 --> 00:34:08,879
of the 20th century did get brought down

910
00:34:12,169 --> 00:34:10,500
on numerous occasions because of a

911
00:34:14,210 --> 00:34:12,179
configuration of radar that was Cutting

912
00:34:16,669 --> 00:34:14,220
Edge at the time and this can happen

913
00:34:19,129 --> 00:34:16,679
right because if you think about it if

914
00:34:21,649 --> 00:34:19,139
you for instance are in the digital age

915
00:34:24,050 --> 00:34:21,659
and you're just not planning for so even

916
00:34:26,810 --> 00:34:24,060
like our automobiles today are so

917
00:34:28,369 --> 00:34:26,820
digital right you can't in my dad's age

918
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:28,379
like he used to you know always like to

919
00:34:33,230 --> 00:34:30,240
go out with his tool set and like fix

920
00:34:34,609 --> 00:34:33,240
his car right or fix his motorbike I

921
00:34:36,589 --> 00:34:34,619
couldn't do that if I wanted to now

922
00:34:37,730 --> 00:34:36,599
because most of it's like digital and

923
00:34:40,070 --> 00:34:37,740
you have to take it to the dealership

924
00:34:42,349 --> 00:34:40,080
and they have to order a part from a

925
00:34:44,690 --> 00:34:42,359
software manufacturer or something right

926
00:34:46,430 --> 00:34:44,700
but the point there is that people who

927
00:34:48,589 --> 00:34:46,440
are making cars now and working on cars

928
00:34:51,950 --> 00:34:48,599
aren't thinking in the mechanical sense

929
00:34:53,629 --> 00:34:51,960
that people were even 30 40 years ago so

930
00:34:55,790 --> 00:34:53,639
the same way a highly Advanced

931
00:34:57,410 --> 00:34:55,800
technological group could come here and

932
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:57,420
not be prepared for things like radar

933
00:35:00,650 --> 00:34:59,040
which they're probably well beyond right

934
00:35:03,530 --> 00:35:00,660
so and in some ways that could be like

935
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:03,540
an Achilles heel right uh to them that

936
00:35:06,170 --> 00:35:04,560
kind of thing that they just weren't

937
00:35:07,730 --> 00:35:06,180
prepared for so

938
00:35:09,290 --> 00:35:07,740
and again I'm not saying all of those

939
00:35:11,089 --> 00:35:09,300
this is a key part we're coming from

940
00:35:12,530 --> 00:35:11,099
across the Galaxy too some of them

941
00:35:14,450 --> 00:35:12,540
weren't so that's a big part of it as

942
00:35:16,490 --> 00:35:14,460
well so the assumption that they only

943
00:35:18,650 --> 00:35:16,500
could have been here by coming across

944
00:35:20,450 --> 00:35:18,660
the vast expansive space is also faulty

945
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:20,460
and also based on an assumption that

946
00:35:24,410 --> 00:35:22,560
I've had to challenge over time to do

947
00:35:26,510 --> 00:35:24,420
with ultra terrestrials which is also

948
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:26,520
one of the groups here there's numerous

949
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:28,800
groups some are coming from elsewhere in

950
00:35:32,030 --> 00:35:30,480
our galaxies some are coming from right

951
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:32,040
around our neighborhood some

952
00:35:36,410 --> 00:35:33,599
interdimensionally again this is where

953
00:35:38,270 --> 00:35:36,420
it gets complex but this is where the

954
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:38,280
assumptions you come in with get

955
00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:41,760
obliterated by the time you're done yes

956
00:35:46,430 --> 00:35:43,440
this is where it gets complex everybody

957
00:35:48,290 --> 00:35:46,440
for taking notes it's pretty complex

958
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:48,300
stuff right uh you know it makes me

959
00:35:51,710 --> 00:35:49,440
think about

960
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:51,720
um I remember when I was a kid you know

961
00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:52,800
you think about different kind of

962
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:56,160
fantasy scenarios and uh imagining what

963
00:36:00,589 --> 00:35:58,320
if I went back to the Medieval ages and

964
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:00,599
I had some sort of uh modern day

965
00:36:06,109 --> 00:36:04,320
technology we you know would I be would

966
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:06,119
would I be a

967
00:36:10,130 --> 00:36:08,400
impervious any kind of damage or you

968
00:36:12,109 --> 00:36:10,140
know what I would I basically be like a

969
00:36:15,050 --> 00:36:12,119
god to those people and not thinking at

970
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:15,060
all about things like disease or uh you

971
00:36:19,849 --> 00:36:17,280
know some sort of medieval Weaponry I'm

972
00:36:21,470 --> 00:36:19,859
not familiar with or the the terrain at

973
00:36:22,970 --> 00:36:21,480
the time but the Norms of the time

974
00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:22,980
there's so many different things that

975
00:36:27,770 --> 00:36:25,200
would basically trip me up even though I

976
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:27,780
had some fancy Gizmo that may uh it made

977
00:36:32,089 --> 00:36:30,000
me think like I had the the upper hand

978
00:36:33,170 --> 00:36:32,099
there so I think that's an excellent

979
00:36:35,089 --> 00:36:33,180
point

980
00:36:37,310 --> 00:36:35,099
um you know things happen and you can't

981
00:36:39,710 --> 00:36:37,320
plan for every contingency

982
00:36:42,349 --> 00:36:39,720
um well you know another interesting

983
00:36:46,250 --> 00:36:42,359
facet of this that we come across from

984
00:36:48,730 --> 00:36:46,260
time to time in the literature is uh

985
00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:48,740
this

986
00:36:56,810 --> 00:36:53,760
intermingling of alien encounter with

987
00:36:58,670 --> 00:36:56,820
Paranormal Activity so that would be

988
00:37:01,250 --> 00:36:58,680
things like

989
00:37:04,130 --> 00:37:01,260
you know seeing a deceased loved one

990
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:04,140
that would be either present with an

991
00:37:10,010 --> 00:37:07,200
alien entity or it would appear before

992
00:37:12,410 --> 00:37:10,020
or not long after an experience with an

993
00:37:13,970 --> 00:37:12,420
alien B and

994
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:13,980
a lot of folks have a very difficult

995
00:37:19,069 --> 00:37:16,400
time making sense of that there's this

996
00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:19,079
intuitive sense in which and I hear this

997
00:37:22,849 --> 00:37:20,880
all the time that people say you know

998
00:37:24,349 --> 00:37:22,859
these things have to be related they

999
00:37:25,810 --> 00:37:24,359
have to be connected but then that's

1000
00:37:28,430 --> 00:37:25,820
kind of where

1001
00:37:32,450 --> 00:37:28,440
they lose steam they don't understand

1002
00:37:35,390 --> 00:37:32,460
how they possibly could be connected and

1003
00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:35,400
so for and and keep in mind too about

1004
00:37:38,990 --> 00:37:36,960
Hawaii we've been studying all this

1005
00:37:40,490 --> 00:37:39,000
stuff for decades right and we have just

1006
00:37:42,109 --> 00:37:40,500
think of the camps that that we have

1007
00:37:44,690 --> 00:37:42,119
that are devoted to these different

1008
00:37:46,250 --> 00:37:44,700
topics you know we have entire folks

1009
00:37:48,589 --> 00:37:46,260
that are devoted to you know ghost

1010
00:37:50,510 --> 00:37:48,599
hunting and the Paranormal we have other

1011
00:37:52,910 --> 00:37:50,520
camps devoted to bigfoots ask watch

1012
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:52,920
other camps doing mediumship and then we

1013
00:37:57,410 --> 00:37:55,200
have UFO people one of these very few of

1014
00:37:59,089 --> 00:37:57,420
these camps actually talk with each

1015
00:38:00,650 --> 00:37:59,099
other in fact many of them will look at

1016
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:00,660
the other one and go you know those

1017
00:38:04,970 --> 00:38:03,119
those ghost people they're uh I don't

1018
00:38:07,010 --> 00:38:04,980
know they're they're kind of crazy you

1019
00:38:09,530 --> 00:38:07,020
know so it's it's fascinating to me the

1020
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:09,540
things which we choose to hold on to so

1021
00:38:15,170 --> 00:38:12,960
tightly and Elevate at the expense of

1022
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:15,180
other things even though I think now I

1023
00:38:18,650 --> 00:38:16,560
guess I may mentioned we are at a place

1024
00:38:21,530 --> 00:38:18,660
where many of us intuitively feel that

1025
00:38:24,589 --> 00:38:21,540
there must be some sort of thread which

1026
00:38:27,370 --> 00:38:24,599
which ties all these things together so

1027
00:38:31,310 --> 00:38:27,380
how do you make sense of that these uh

1028
00:38:33,950 --> 00:38:31,320
intermingling kind of uh phenomena

1029
00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:33,960
right I mean I did call my podcast point

1030
00:38:39,290 --> 00:38:36,960
of convergence for a reason and it's

1031
00:38:41,810 --> 00:38:39,300
this very this very what that um it

1032
00:38:44,390 --> 00:38:41,820
wasn't just about the revelation of

1033
00:38:45,710 --> 00:38:44,400
alien intelligence and extraordinary

1034
00:38:48,109 --> 00:38:45,720
craft in our midst but it was about

1035
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:48,119
things like PSI phenomena you know

1036
00:38:51,410 --> 00:38:49,920
telekinesis how can you move things with

1037
00:38:52,490 --> 00:38:51,420
your mind telepathy how can you

1038
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:52,500
communicate

1039
00:38:56,750 --> 00:38:54,720
through mental intention alone

1040
00:38:58,370 --> 00:38:56,760
you know precognition how can you know

1041
00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:58,380
about things before they actually happen

1042
00:39:03,230 --> 00:39:01,440
right all of these aspects of of PSI

1043
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:03,240
phenomena then we have things like

1044
00:39:07,490 --> 00:39:05,040
near-death experiences out of body

1045
00:39:10,609 --> 00:39:07,500
experiences people who have these Vivid

1046
00:39:11,329 --> 00:39:10,619
encounters with you know deceased loved

1047
00:39:13,910 --> 00:39:11,339
ones

1048
00:39:14,990 --> 00:39:13,920
in a realm they consider heaven or

1049
00:39:16,609 --> 00:39:15,000
something like that right when they have

1050
00:39:19,609 --> 00:39:16,619
a near-death experience

1051
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:19,619
coming across being sometimes even

1052
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:21,599
that seem like gray aliens so someone

1053
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:23,040
could have a near-death experience and

1054
00:39:27,170 --> 00:39:25,200
see you know me kind of like your your

1055
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:27,180
standard Jesus figure in a robe then

1056
00:39:30,650 --> 00:39:29,040
walk across a room and look in and see a

1057
00:39:32,990 --> 00:39:30,660
council of gray aliens sitting around a

1058
00:39:35,150 --> 00:39:33,000
table like literally I've heard about

1059
00:39:37,490 --> 00:39:35,160
near-death experiences like that and you

1060
00:39:38,990 --> 00:39:37,500
have this blending of wait a second I

1061
00:39:41,210 --> 00:39:39,000
thought these were separate topics right

1062
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:41,220
and to the point that you're making

1063
00:39:46,490 --> 00:39:43,440
historically because each of these

1064
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:46,500
different fields of study have wanted to

1065
00:39:50,990 --> 00:39:48,960
gain Steam and credibility

1066
00:39:53,329 --> 00:39:51,000
and respect really what it comes down to

1067
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:53,339
by the scientific mainstream they tend

1068
00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:54,960
to say oh don't worry we're nothing like

1069
00:40:01,670 --> 00:39:57,200
those ufologists right we're into

1070
00:40:04,250 --> 00:40:01,680
studying you know phenomological uh

1071
00:40:05,870 --> 00:40:04,260
credible accounts of deceased beings so

1072
00:40:07,550 --> 00:40:05,880
forget aliens from some other place

1073
00:40:09,050 --> 00:40:07,560
we're talking about human beings that

1074
00:40:09,829 --> 00:40:09,060
carry on in different kind of modality

1075
00:40:12,170 --> 00:40:09,839
right

1076
00:40:13,790 --> 00:40:12,180
and then you get the UFO people who say

1077
00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:13,800
listen we're not going to try and

1078
00:40:16,670 --> 00:40:15,119
pretend that you live after you die

1079
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:16,680
we're just talking about biological

1080
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:18,720
beings from Alpha Centauri who happen to

1081
00:40:22,130 --> 00:40:20,400
be here don't worry about those silly

1082
00:40:23,630 --> 00:40:22,140
ghost people right so like you say it

1083
00:40:26,690 --> 00:40:23,640
kind of like they both kind of discredit

1084
00:40:29,210 --> 00:40:26,700
each other and kind of uh will do their

1085
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:29,220
Darkness to sort of um stay as far apart

1086
00:40:33,710 --> 00:40:31,440
from each other as possible

1087
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:33,720
yet like you say what all the evidence

1088
00:40:38,750 --> 00:40:36,480
points towards for those who've you know

1089
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:38,760
been brave enough to Veer across those

1090
00:40:43,250 --> 00:40:40,800
boundaries is that there's there's

1091
00:40:45,410 --> 00:40:43,260
plenty of link up going on and things

1092
00:40:47,170 --> 00:40:45,420
seem to be somehow connected and it

1093
00:40:49,490 --> 00:40:47,180
seems to be as I've said many many times

1094
00:40:51,470 --> 00:40:49,500
pointing to the very fabric of reality

1095
00:40:54,109 --> 00:40:51,480
it's telling us something about

1096
00:40:55,370 --> 00:40:54,119
our understanding of space-time life and

1097
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:55,380
death all of these things are

1098
00:41:01,130 --> 00:40:58,800
fundamentally flawed at a root level

1099
00:41:03,170 --> 00:41:01,140
so

1100
00:41:05,089 --> 00:41:03,180
that's a key piece I would say that

1101
00:41:06,290 --> 00:41:05,099
that's really the question is how how is

1102
00:41:08,510 --> 00:41:06,300
all of this connected and what is it

1103
00:41:10,670 --> 00:41:08,520
saying about reality but another piece

1104
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:10,680
specifically on this notion of

1105
00:41:15,170 --> 00:41:13,440
you know times where alien beings

1106
00:41:18,170 --> 00:41:15,180
supposedly alien beings show up with

1107
00:41:20,569 --> 00:41:18,180
deceased loved ones I remember one

1108
00:41:23,870 --> 00:41:20,579
particular uh ufologist

1109
00:41:25,010 --> 00:41:23,880
was angry uh when I said one time that

1110
00:41:26,810 --> 00:41:25,020
this was actually pointing towards

1111
00:41:28,670 --> 00:41:26,820
something about reality

1112
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:28,680
and their response was no it's just that

1113
00:41:33,470 --> 00:41:30,960
these aliens are malevolent and they

1114
00:41:35,870 --> 00:41:33,480
will just manifest an apparition that

1115
00:41:38,450 --> 00:41:35,880
looks like your Aunt Mary or your

1116
00:41:40,430 --> 00:41:38,460
grandma but it's actually just a ruse to

1117
00:41:42,349 --> 00:41:40,440
put you at ease so they can like you

1118
00:41:43,730 --> 00:41:42,359
know take your sperm or your OVA or

1119
00:41:45,770 --> 00:41:43,740
something right

1120
00:41:47,390 --> 00:41:45,780
and a few thoughts there number one I

1121
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:47,400
don't but then with a degree of control

1122
00:41:50,510 --> 00:41:48,960
they wield over us they don't have to do

1123
00:41:52,970 --> 00:41:50,520
that they they could just you know put

1124
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:52,980
me under and do it kind of thing

1125
00:41:56,990 --> 00:41:54,960
um and on top of that

1126
00:41:58,370 --> 00:41:57,000
there are many many many many accounts

1127
00:42:00,410 --> 00:41:58,380
with people who have experiences with

1128
00:42:02,210 --> 00:42:00,420
benevolent others

1129
00:42:04,730 --> 00:42:02,220
and they get the sense that this is part

1130
00:42:07,370 --> 00:42:04,740
of a move to help us change our thinking

1131
00:42:09,290 --> 00:42:07,380
about reality that yes they want us to

1132
00:42:11,210 --> 00:42:09,300
have the experience of seeing that our

1133
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:11,220
loved ones are not deceased after all

1134
00:42:13,490 --> 00:42:12,240
they're just in a kind of different

1135
00:42:14,750 --> 00:42:13,500
modality

1136
00:42:16,370 --> 00:42:14,760
but

1137
00:42:18,530 --> 00:42:16,380
the whole point of them showing

1138
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:18,540
themselves to us and them showing our

1139
00:42:23,050 --> 00:42:21,119
deceased loved ones supposedly to us is

1140
00:42:25,370 --> 00:42:23,060
to get us to rethink it's like a

1141
00:42:27,609 --> 00:42:25,380
manifestation of a living breathing

1142
00:42:29,690 --> 00:42:27,619
zenko on right in front of you saying

1143
00:42:32,690 --> 00:42:29,700
what does this do for your thinking

1144
00:42:35,890 --> 00:42:32,700
right it stops it in its tracks

1145
00:42:38,089 --> 00:42:35,900
so absolutely these are all connected

1146
00:42:39,950 --> 00:42:38,099
absolutely I think these are legitimate

1147
00:42:42,890 --> 00:42:39,960
stories when

1148
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:42,900
um alien beings show up with supposedly

1149
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:45,359
deceased loved ones which isn't to say

1150
00:42:48,109 --> 00:42:47,280
there aren't some malevolent beings that

1151
00:42:51,770 --> 00:42:48,119
could

1152
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:51,780
and do sometimes in their shape-shifting

1153
00:42:55,790 --> 00:42:53,760
ability and in their ability to

1154
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:55,800
through mental intention alone Impact

1155
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:57,119
Physical ready like I've talked about

1156
00:43:00,410 --> 00:42:59,040
they could do something like that some

1157
00:43:01,730 --> 00:43:00,420
of them could do that this was again

1158
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:01,740
where

1159
00:43:05,930 --> 00:43:04,079
discernment really matters and I was

1160
00:43:07,250 --> 00:43:05,940
even dialoguing with someone today on

1161
00:43:08,270 --> 00:43:07,260
social media and they were asking and

1162
00:43:10,910 --> 00:43:08,280
they're saying are you talking about

1163
00:43:12,650 --> 00:43:10,920
like our cognitive faculties like our

1164
00:43:15,290 --> 00:43:12,660
ability to sort of reason through this

1165
00:43:17,210 --> 00:43:15,300
and go like really you know hard

1166
00:43:19,250 --> 00:43:17,220
thinking critical thinking like let me

1167
00:43:21,170 --> 00:43:19,260
add up things here and say does this add

1168
00:43:22,910 --> 00:43:21,180
up are they being are they being

1169
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:22,920
truthful are they being deceitful and

1170
00:43:26,990 --> 00:43:24,240
I'm saying it's not that kind of list

1171
00:43:28,910 --> 00:43:27,000
it's intuitive understanding and so

1172
00:43:30,910 --> 00:43:28,920
intuition is different than conceptual

1173
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:30,920
knowing right so it's not about

1174
00:43:35,630 --> 00:43:33,359
comparing ideas and saying which one

1175
00:43:37,809 --> 00:43:35,640
feels more true based on evidence

1176
00:43:41,450 --> 00:43:37,819
subjective evidence again that's part of

1177
00:43:44,210 --> 00:43:41,460
the deception of physicalism right that

1178
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:44,220
that really is a more robust and

1179
00:43:47,690 --> 00:43:45,599
advantageous way to make your way

1180
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:47,700
through the world actually the truth is

1181
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:49,440
even for those people who think that

1182
00:43:52,970 --> 00:43:51,359
they think that way when we actually

1183
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:52,980
study them in a laboratory we find out

1184
00:43:56,329 --> 00:43:54,480
that they're making gut instinct

1185
00:43:58,910 --> 00:43:56,339
decisions in a split second later

1186
00:44:00,589 --> 00:43:58,920
attaching it to some sort of rationale

1187
00:44:02,930 --> 00:44:00,599
and so they convince themselves even

1188
00:44:04,370 --> 00:44:02,940
that they're doing it based on objective

1189
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:04,380
criteria and really they're not they're

1190
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:06,720
acting on gut instinct and the problem

1191
00:44:11,690 --> 00:44:09,599
with the physicalism

1192
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:11,700
um you know move in our culture is that

1193
00:44:17,329 --> 00:44:14,640
it's teaching us not to trust our gut to

1194
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:17,339
to lose that capacity to have this

1195
00:44:21,050 --> 00:44:18,960
intimate awareness and intimate

1196
00:44:23,930 --> 00:44:21,060
connection relationship with everything

1197
00:44:25,609 --> 00:44:23,940
around us to recognize that that porous

1198
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:25,619
boundary to everything and everyone

1199
00:44:30,650 --> 00:44:28,319
around us gives us information access to

1200
00:44:33,170 --> 00:44:30,660
information if we would only use it but

1201
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:33,180
those muscles have become atrophied over

1202
00:44:37,730 --> 00:44:35,280
time because we've been taught that no

1203
00:44:38,750 --> 00:44:37,740
such thing as possible right so these

1204
00:44:39,650 --> 00:44:38,760
are the things to keep in mind and I

1205
00:44:40,970 --> 00:44:39,660
Know It kind of went on a rabbit Trail

1206
00:44:43,309 --> 00:44:40,980
there but my point is that you could

1207
00:44:45,710 --> 00:44:43,319
have malevolent aliens that are actually

1208
00:44:47,390 --> 00:44:45,720
manifesting uh for a thought form that

1209
00:44:49,309 --> 00:44:47,400
looks like your Aunt Mary and you could

1210
00:44:51,170 --> 00:44:49,319
have a benevolent group who really is

1211
00:44:52,609 --> 00:44:51,180
bringing Aunt Mary to you I think both

1212
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:52,619
are going on both are in the picture

1213
00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:55,680
again part of the complexity

1214
00:45:03,109 --> 00:44:58,319
uh to say the least that's uh that's a

1215
00:45:04,730 --> 00:45:03,119
lot to navigate and um and I think you

1216
00:45:07,730 --> 00:45:04,740
know where you took that is is a good

1217
00:45:10,910 --> 00:45:07,740
place to go because we

1218
00:45:14,150 --> 00:45:10,920
we really want to be able to take some

1219
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:14,160
of the the principles of our scientific

1220
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:15,599
understanding and that's kind of this

1221
00:45:20,030 --> 00:45:18,480
notion of reproducibility and we want to

1222
00:45:23,089 --> 00:45:20,040
apply it to all of these different

1223
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:23,099
experiences and and see if we can you

1224
00:45:26,930 --> 00:45:25,200
know make it happen again like a machine

1225
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:26,940
if I can build the put the parts in the

1226
00:45:31,730 --> 00:45:28,560
right order in the right configuration I

1227
00:45:33,770 --> 00:45:31,740
can get the same outcome and that's

1228
00:45:36,170 --> 00:45:33,780
whether we realize it or not that's how

1229
00:45:37,790 --> 00:45:36,180
we look at the world now I just need to

1230
00:45:40,010 --> 00:45:37,800
put these things together in this kind

1231
00:45:43,069 --> 00:45:40,020
of fashion and I'm going to get exactly

1232
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:43,079
the same kind of thing and I think as

1233
00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:46,079
you rightly pointed out that's uh We've

1234
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:48,000
really confused

1235
00:45:54,410 --> 00:45:51,359
that ability that skill with the way

1236
00:45:56,930 --> 00:45:54,420
reality actually is we even though

1237
00:46:00,050 --> 00:45:56,940
there's some correlation there it it's

1238
00:46:01,910 --> 00:46:00,060
not actually that way and

1239
00:46:03,530 --> 00:46:01,920
um you know I recently had an amazing

1240
00:46:05,690 --> 00:46:03,540
experience which you know I hope to get

1241
00:46:08,089 --> 00:46:05,700
into more details at some point in the

1242
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:08,099
future but you know I kind of came to

1243
00:46:14,210 --> 00:46:10,560
this realization through that experience

1244
00:46:18,589 --> 00:46:14,220
of what you just talked about that

1245
00:46:21,950 --> 00:46:18,599
um our way of knowing things is uh not

1246
00:46:25,550 --> 00:46:21,960
what we think it is and the way in which

1247
00:46:29,390 --> 00:46:25,560
we know is much more intuitive and more

1248
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:29,400
connected to kind of a sub-layer a

1249
00:46:35,089 --> 00:46:32,400
perception than what we are cognitively

1250
00:46:37,490 --> 00:46:35,099
present to and it's just that our Co our

1251
00:46:40,430 --> 00:46:37,500
cognitive presence does exactly what you

1252
00:46:43,690 --> 00:46:40,440
described we overlay on top of our our

1253
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:43,700
intuitive sub-layer perception this

1254
00:46:48,770 --> 00:46:46,319
explanation just so happens that some of

1255
00:46:51,290 --> 00:46:48,780
those explanations have f efficacious

1256
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:51,300
you know power in the material world

1257
00:46:55,490 --> 00:46:53,280
that we you know we're all familiar with

1258
00:46:58,910 --> 00:46:55,500
but it's not to say that that's actually

1259
00:47:01,609 --> 00:46:58,920
how it works and so this is an important

1260
00:47:03,050 --> 00:47:01,619
concept to keep in mind and I mean like

1261
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:03,060
you said it's a bit of a rabbit hole

1262
00:47:07,730 --> 00:47:05,280
Chase there but I think a good diversion

1263
00:47:09,829 --> 00:47:07,740
we could do a whole episode on on that

1264
00:47:10,490 --> 00:47:09,839
alone probably

1265
00:47:11,809 --> 00:47:10,500
um

1266
00:47:13,309 --> 00:47:11,819
I don't know do you want to say anything

1267
00:47:15,890 --> 00:47:13,319
else on that before we switch to the

1268
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:15,900
next uh topic then the next one's one

1269
00:47:20,990 --> 00:47:18,480
that kind of irked me for a while and I

1270
00:47:23,150 --> 00:47:21,000
can't wait to get your take on it let's

1271
00:47:24,650 --> 00:47:23,160
go to it all right well hybrids I'm just

1272
00:47:26,650 --> 00:47:24,660
going to put it out there hybrids we

1273
00:47:29,569 --> 00:47:26,660
hear about hybrids all the time

1274
00:47:31,250 --> 00:47:29,579
uh you know when I have electric cards

1275
00:47:33,170 --> 00:47:31,260
are important part of our of our Energy

1276
00:47:35,890 --> 00:47:33,180
Future you have to put them in the mix

1277
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:35,900
right you absolutely to reduce emissions

1278
00:47:40,910 --> 00:47:38,400
uh you know I just

1279
00:47:44,329 --> 00:47:40,920
I really struggle with this notion of

1280
00:47:46,490 --> 00:47:44,339
hybrids for various reasons

1281
00:47:48,829 --> 00:47:46,500
um some tied into the benevolent

1282
00:47:50,329 --> 00:47:48,839
benevolent alien concept that we just

1283
00:47:52,609 --> 00:47:50,339
talked about I was kind of more in that

1284
00:47:55,490 --> 00:47:52,619
camp than than the the mixed Camp there

1285
00:47:56,990 --> 00:47:55,500
I couldn't conceive of you know aliens

1286
00:48:00,109 --> 00:47:57,000
things in that word broadly that would

1287
00:48:01,670 --> 00:48:00,119
want to do something like that uh I also

1288
00:48:03,829 --> 00:48:01,680
couldn't understand it because of the

1289
00:48:04,970 --> 00:48:03,839
technology piece another piece we just

1290
00:48:06,589 --> 00:48:04,980
talked about and it'll have this

1291
00:48:08,329 --> 00:48:06,599
technology why do they even have to do

1292
00:48:11,390 --> 00:48:08,339
this like this doesn't make sense to me

1293
00:48:13,730 --> 00:48:11,400
but we're doing genetic engineering and

1294
00:48:16,130 --> 00:48:13,740
I don't have to go around kidnapping

1295
00:48:18,290 --> 00:48:16,140
people you know to do some genetic

1296
00:48:19,970 --> 00:48:18,300
experiments on them necessarily you know

1297
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:19,980
it just didn't seem like something that

1298
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:22,800
needed to be done uh and so I'm looking

1299
00:48:28,550 --> 00:48:25,440
at it from the vantage point of

1300
00:48:30,770 --> 00:48:28,560
benevolent aliens you know technological

1301
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:30,780
means and I'm just saying nope nope you

1302
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:31,920
know there's no way that this is

1303
00:48:37,309 --> 00:48:35,040
actually a thing uh you know even I

1304
00:48:39,230 --> 00:48:37,319
remember one time early on in doing some

1305
00:48:41,930 --> 00:48:39,240
of the podcasts we had someone come on

1306
00:48:44,930 --> 00:48:41,940
who was just really into the hybrid idea

1307
00:48:46,430 --> 00:48:44,940
and was basically exclaiming on you know

1308
00:48:48,890 --> 00:48:46,440
on the show I don't know it was our show

1309
00:48:50,690 --> 00:48:48,900
some show you know that the hybrids were

1310
00:48:52,430 --> 00:48:50,700
that he was seeing them everywhere you

1311
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:52,440
know they're that they're out there that

1312
00:48:56,510 --> 00:48:54,480
and I was just kind of going I mean

1313
00:48:58,430 --> 00:48:56,520
really I mean I mean am I just not

1314
00:48:59,690 --> 00:48:58,440
looking at people the same way that this

1315
00:49:02,690 --> 00:48:59,700
guy is looking at people I'm just not

1316
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:02,700
seeing it right so I I still have to

1317
00:49:05,390 --> 00:49:04,319
admit I still struggle with this to some

1318
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:05,400
degree

1319
00:49:10,609 --> 00:49:07,440
um but I think in some ways it relates

1320
00:49:12,530 --> 00:49:10,619
to how I think about hybrid just

1321
00:49:15,470 --> 00:49:12,540
generally you know how I'm what my

1322
00:49:17,690 --> 00:49:15,480
expectations might be but uh I don't

1323
00:49:19,849 --> 00:49:17,700
know why why is this one a tough build

1324
00:49:22,670 --> 00:49:19,859
to swallow and I mean what what do you

1325
00:49:24,410 --> 00:49:22,680
feel is compelling about this idea

1326
00:49:27,010 --> 00:49:24,420
well

1327
00:49:30,530 --> 00:49:27,020
Hmm this is a

1328
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:30,540
tricky one for me uh

1329
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:33,119
I'll get to why in a minute but so I

1330
00:49:36,890 --> 00:49:35,040
would say going back in time when I

1331
00:49:38,990 --> 00:49:36,900
first heard this notion

1332
00:49:42,650 --> 00:49:39,000
yeah there's there's some aspects of the

1333
00:49:45,710 --> 00:49:42,660
literature that are confounding right

1334
00:49:48,170 --> 00:49:45,720
like like you pointed to if their goal

1335
00:49:50,569 --> 00:49:48,180
was really just to gather genetic

1336
00:49:52,370 --> 00:49:50,579
specimens or to like a scientific

1337
00:49:56,329 --> 00:49:52,380
Expedition kind of thing

1338
00:49:58,670 --> 00:49:56,339
uh or to even engineer hybrid beings

1339
00:50:01,430 --> 00:49:58,680
then you know all you need is a hair

1340
00:50:03,410 --> 00:50:01,440
follicle and you've got the entire you

1341
00:50:05,290 --> 00:50:03,420
know genome right so and we can do that

1342
00:50:09,170 --> 00:50:05,300
with our technology so

1343
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:09,180
why would this species that's more

1344
00:50:12,770 --> 00:50:10,800
technologically advanced need to do this

1345
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:12,780
right why they need to not only take

1346
00:50:15,950 --> 00:50:14,640
people from the comfort of their beds

1347
00:50:19,130 --> 00:50:15,960
the middle of the night

1348
00:50:22,190 --> 00:50:19,140
but also like subject them to strange

1349
00:50:25,370 --> 00:50:22,200
sexual kinds of experiments where

1350
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:25,380
it almost seems like a s m kind of

1351
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:27,119
session rather than you know a

1352
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:29,760
scientific Expedition or something and I

1353
00:50:34,370 --> 00:50:32,400
think when I realized over time

1354
00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:34,380
when you try to make sense of that data

1355
00:50:37,550 --> 00:50:35,520
is that

1356
00:50:41,690 --> 00:50:37,560
part of it's because some of them either

1357
00:50:43,790 --> 00:50:41,700
lost this sexual impulse they lost some

1358
00:50:45,730 --> 00:50:43,800
of the animalistic

1359
00:50:48,290 --> 00:50:45,740
um parts of maybe their earlier history

1360
00:50:50,750 --> 00:50:48,300
or they're coming from a civilization

1361
00:50:53,510 --> 00:50:50,760
that never had it and are just truly

1362
00:50:55,490 --> 00:50:53,520
fascinated uh in an anthropological kind

1363
00:50:57,410 --> 00:50:55,500
of way with the way that we do things

1364
00:50:58,849 --> 00:50:57,420
and the way that we reproduce I've

1365
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:58,859
talked about before I think on our last

1366
00:51:02,390 --> 00:51:00,480
episode I mentioned that

1367
00:51:04,549 --> 00:51:02,400
there's evidence for some of these

1368
00:51:05,770 --> 00:51:04,559
groups seem to Now sort of rely on

1369
00:51:08,990 --> 00:51:05,780
cloning

1370
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:09,000
to reproduce and

1371
00:51:16,430 --> 00:51:12,000
that has created an Ever more narrow

1372
00:51:20,410 --> 00:51:16,440
genetic pool to draw from and it's

1373
00:51:22,670 --> 00:51:20,420
causing problems and they've also lost

1374
00:51:25,069 --> 00:51:22,680
in that process which is kind of a

1375
00:51:26,690 --> 00:51:25,079
cautionary tale like I said lost the

1376
00:51:28,730 --> 00:51:26,700
ability to just sort of turn on that

1377
00:51:30,890 --> 00:51:28,740
other option right at some point it just

1378
00:51:32,450 --> 00:51:30,900
sort of got bread out of them so there

1379
00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:32,460
seems to be this like strange

1380
00:51:36,589 --> 00:51:34,800
fascination with our sexuality not just

1381
00:51:39,710 --> 00:51:36,599
with our

1382
00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:39,720
biology and our physiology but actually

1383
00:51:43,609 --> 00:51:41,520
with our sexuality and that seems to be

1384
00:51:46,190 --> 00:51:43,619
what's going on here partly

1385
00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:46,200
um and you know again I started to make

1386
00:51:49,970 --> 00:51:48,240
this complex every single time but

1387
00:51:51,230 --> 00:51:49,980
there's also a matter of you know

1388
00:51:52,910 --> 00:51:51,240
there's these there's a spiritual

1389
00:51:55,010 --> 00:51:52,920
element an energetic element to

1390
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:55,020
sexuality too that we I don't think

1391
00:51:57,770 --> 00:51:56,160
we've ever talked about on this show and

1392
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:57,780
doesn't get talked about much and the

1393
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:01,440
UFO phenomenon kind of field but it's a

1394
00:52:06,170 --> 00:52:03,599
strange with in a positive way you could

1395
00:52:08,930 --> 00:52:06,180
have like tantric kind of Technologies

1396
00:52:10,490 --> 00:52:08,940
around sexuality but there's also a sort

1397
00:52:13,609 --> 00:52:10,500
of a negative side of that too you know

1398
00:52:14,569 --> 00:52:13,619
if a black magic side to

1399
00:52:16,849 --> 00:52:14,579
um

1400
00:52:18,770 --> 00:52:16,859
sexuality and how it can be used as kind

1401
00:52:21,710 --> 00:52:18,780
of a power play and an exchange of

1402
00:52:23,930 --> 00:52:21,720
energetic uh information and energetic

1403
00:52:25,190 --> 00:52:23,940
impulse so people need to realize again

1404
00:52:26,770 --> 00:52:25,200
if we're talking about Consciousness

1405
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:26,780
being primary if we're talking about

1406
00:52:32,210 --> 00:52:30,000
these energetic impulses then sexuality

1407
00:52:34,150 --> 00:52:32,220
is one of the strongest communicators

1408
00:52:36,650 --> 00:52:34,160
and transmission

1409
00:52:38,930 --> 00:52:36,660
methodologies for that kind of energetic

1410
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:38,940
transmission and so some of these others

1411
00:52:42,170 --> 00:52:40,559
are very very interested in that for

1412
00:52:46,130 --> 00:52:42,180
that very reason so it's still a kind of

1413
00:52:46,970 --> 00:52:46,140
technology so all this is in play

1414
00:52:48,770 --> 00:52:46,980
um

1415
00:52:50,690 --> 00:52:48,780
now getting back to more of our original

1416
00:52:52,970 --> 00:52:50,700
question around hybrid so once you get

1417
00:52:54,890 --> 00:52:52,980
past all that

1418
00:52:57,349 --> 00:52:54,900
I think I've also talked on the show I

1419
00:52:59,329 --> 00:52:57,359
know I have about the templating thing

1420
00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:59,339
right the notion that there seems to

1421
00:53:04,010 --> 00:53:01,440
have been evidence for

1422
00:53:06,829 --> 00:53:04,020
a kind of seeding of a base template of

1423
00:53:08,450 --> 00:53:06,839
a kind of humanoid form across this arm

1424
00:53:11,150 --> 00:53:08,460
of our galaxy kind of thing by a

1425
00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:11,160
civilization in ancient history that

1426
00:53:14,290 --> 00:53:12,480
might have moved on by now or might have

1427
00:53:17,089 --> 00:53:14,300
moved on to a different sort of

1428
00:53:19,250 --> 00:53:17,099
post-biological form altogether

1429
00:53:21,410 --> 00:53:19,260
but that partly allows for some of the

1430
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:21,420
genetic compatibility that allows for

1431
00:53:24,770 --> 00:53:23,280
some of the cross breeding that happens

1432
00:53:26,450 --> 00:53:24,780
right so that answers that question to

1433
00:53:29,150 --> 00:53:26,460
some degree

1434
00:53:31,370 --> 00:53:29,160
also I would say as I pointed out on my

1435
00:53:33,410 --> 00:53:31,380
most recent POC episode

1436
00:53:35,569 --> 00:53:33,420
I think hybridization and genetic

1437
00:53:37,730 --> 00:53:35,579
experimentation is fundamental to the

1438
00:53:39,530 --> 00:53:37,740
UFO phenomenon it's not some sort of

1439
00:53:41,390 --> 00:53:39,540
thing going off on the sidelines for one

1440
00:53:43,010 --> 00:53:41,400
group out of many but it's pretty

1441
00:53:46,430 --> 00:53:43,020
Central to what's going on

1442
00:53:48,530 --> 00:53:46,440
and that that hybrids to varying degrees

1443
00:53:50,569 --> 00:53:48,540
of hybridization meaning there are some

1444
00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:50,579
that are have higher human components

1445
00:53:54,770 --> 00:53:52,800
than others right and some that have

1446
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:54,780
combination of multiple kind of beings

1447
00:53:58,069 --> 00:53:56,640
and there's definitely seems to be

1448
00:54:00,470 --> 00:53:58,079
certain groups of graves that are

1449
00:54:02,990 --> 00:54:00,480
fascinated with

1450
00:54:06,170 --> 00:54:03,000
um with just experimenting in this kind

1451
00:54:09,470 --> 00:54:06,180
of Realm they just like to see what kind

1452
00:54:10,430 --> 00:54:09,480
of uh forms and and structures are

1453
00:54:13,069 --> 00:54:10,440
developed with this kind of

1454
00:54:15,049 --> 00:54:13,079
interbreeding that goes on and you know

1455
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:15,059
I talked about this story uh from this

1456
00:54:20,809 --> 00:54:18,000
book Rachel's eyes was with about a a

1457
00:54:22,790 --> 00:54:20,819
hybrid that had a combination of alien

1458
00:54:25,130 --> 00:54:22,800
structure along with you know the

1459
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:25,140
combination of several different human

1460
00:54:30,109 --> 00:54:27,839
beings from Earth also added to her

1461
00:54:31,790 --> 00:54:30,119
genetic background

1462
00:54:33,410 --> 00:54:31,800
um and while she was you know growing in

1463
00:54:34,730 --> 00:54:33,420
a kind of aquarium like structure in a

1464
00:54:37,730 --> 00:54:34,740
different planet and brought here later

1465
00:54:39,829 --> 00:54:37,740
on so I think all this is going on and

1466
00:54:41,710 --> 00:54:39,839
as I say that I'm very aware that three

1467
00:54:43,849 --> 00:54:41,720
years ago I would have been a little bit

1468
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:43,859
surprised to hear myself say that I

1469
00:54:46,730 --> 00:54:45,359
think you would have said I would have

1470
00:54:48,829 --> 00:54:46,740
said I've been abducted and they're just

1471
00:54:50,690 --> 00:54:48,839
like making my voice sound this way I

1472
00:54:51,950 --> 00:54:50,700
couldn't be saying things like that and

1473
00:54:54,530 --> 00:54:51,960
yet I am

1474
00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:54,540
and lastly let me finish off with the

1475
00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:57,839
the the real kicker is that I've met

1476
00:55:01,970 --> 00:54:59,760
people personally that I have no doubt

1477
00:55:05,270 --> 00:55:01,980
are hybrids so

1478
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:05,280
I've seen capabilities that

1479
00:55:11,150 --> 00:55:08,640
are not just next level in terms of side

1480
00:55:13,130 --> 00:55:11,160
capacity and things like that but the

1481
00:55:16,130 --> 00:55:13,140
ability to see across time the ability

1482
00:55:18,170 --> 00:55:16,140
to be connected in with

1483
00:55:19,210 --> 00:55:18,180
all sentient life in a kind of grid

1484
00:55:21,470 --> 00:55:19,220
system

1485
00:55:23,690 --> 00:55:21,480
that is something that we see the

1486
00:55:26,150 --> 00:55:23,700
potential for in most human beings like

1487
00:55:28,130 --> 00:55:26,160
we see little seedings seedlings of a

1488
00:55:30,530 --> 00:55:28,140
possibility there we're all psychic to

1489
00:55:32,690 --> 00:55:30,540
some degree but I've seen examples of

1490
00:55:35,510 --> 00:55:32,700
people that because of their hybrid

1491
00:55:38,030 --> 00:55:35,520
nature have this to the nth degree that

1492
00:55:40,130 --> 00:55:38,040
they can be connected into the whole and

1493
00:55:42,410 --> 00:55:40,140
sometimes operate more from that in

1494
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:42,420
terms of their sense of self with a

1495
00:55:47,450 --> 00:55:44,160
capital S than they do as an individual

1496
00:55:49,370 --> 00:55:47,460
like the rest of us do okay

1497
00:55:52,670 --> 00:55:49,380
that's powerful stuff

1498
00:55:54,470 --> 00:55:52,680
um and I think as you pointed out is

1499
00:55:55,309 --> 00:55:54,480
pretty difficult to swallow for a lot of

1500
00:55:58,130 --> 00:55:55,319
people

1501
00:56:01,250 --> 00:55:58,140
um and that's okay uh you know it's a

1502
00:56:03,470 --> 00:56:01,260
very complicated idea and if we take

1503
00:56:05,329 --> 00:56:03,480
even the biology out of it just the

1504
00:56:06,650 --> 00:56:05,339
facet of it that you touched on that I

1505
00:56:10,250 --> 00:56:06,660
particularly like

1506
00:56:13,130 --> 00:56:10,260
that there's a kind of almost like a

1507
00:56:16,490 --> 00:56:13,140
a spiritual hybridization of our own

1508
00:56:19,309 --> 00:56:16,500
identity uh at play as well and that's

1509
00:56:22,210 --> 00:56:19,319
something that I think we've touched on

1510
00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:22,220
a little bit but if you

1511
00:56:28,670 --> 00:56:25,920
if you come away from some of the uh

1512
00:56:29,930 --> 00:56:28,680
past life experience the near-death

1513
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:29,940
experience Out of Body Experience

1514
00:56:34,910 --> 00:56:31,920
literature and as well as some of the

1515
00:56:38,510 --> 00:56:34,920
experiencer accounts there there is a

1516
00:56:40,609 --> 00:56:38,520
recurring theme that who you are who you

1517
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:40,619
think of yourself as who you are isn't

1518
00:56:46,730 --> 00:56:43,440
who all that you are you're kind of an

1519
00:56:49,549 --> 00:56:46,740
amalgamation of different uh

1520
00:56:51,230 --> 00:56:49,559
personalities and and uh and energies

1521
00:56:55,250 --> 00:56:51,240
and beings that

1522
00:56:57,410 --> 00:56:55,260
have preceded you and will will follow

1523
00:57:00,170 --> 00:56:57,420
you and and this notion of time is sort

1524
00:57:03,230 --> 00:57:00,180
of fuzzy too right that it's not just

1525
00:57:04,790 --> 00:57:03,240
this linear kind of uh lineage right

1526
00:57:06,250 --> 00:57:04,800
that it's

1527
00:57:10,609 --> 00:57:06,260
um an active

1528
00:57:13,490 --> 00:57:10,619
interplay of identities just happen to

1529
00:57:16,730 --> 00:57:13,500
be localized in what you consider

1530
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:16,740
yourself to be at this moment uh that

1531
00:57:23,630 --> 00:57:19,200
you can reach back and forward into

1532
00:57:27,950 --> 00:57:23,640
those different uh sort of incarnated uh

1533
00:57:30,349 --> 00:57:27,960
identities and claim aspects of them uh

1534
00:57:31,849 --> 00:57:30,359
or tap into them or remember them maybe

1535
00:57:34,490 --> 00:57:31,859
as a different way of thinking about it

1536
00:57:38,329 --> 00:57:34,500
in in an odd way remembering what what

1537
00:57:42,049 --> 00:57:38,339
they are and embody that in who you

1538
00:57:44,750 --> 00:57:42,059
manifest to be in this world in this

1539
00:57:46,849 --> 00:57:44,760
experience Incarnation so it's uh

1540
00:57:49,250 --> 00:57:46,859
there's a lot at work there Beyond just

1541
00:57:51,290 --> 00:57:49,260
the pure biology of it all and the

1542
00:57:55,309 --> 00:57:51,300
biology is probably in many ways maybe

1543
00:57:57,470 --> 00:57:55,319
the easiest aspect of it too to grasp

1544
00:58:00,049 --> 00:57:57,480
yeah I think another piece really

1545
00:58:01,309 --> 00:58:00,059
quickly that that I I finished on on POC

1546
00:58:03,049 --> 00:58:01,319
was that

1547
00:58:05,150 --> 00:58:03,059
we have to remember that all the

1548
00:58:07,790 --> 00:58:05,160
evidence seems to suggest that

1549
00:58:10,010 --> 00:58:07,800
who we are today is is already because

1550
00:58:11,329 --> 00:58:10,020
of genetic augmentation and

1551
00:58:13,010 --> 00:58:11,339
experimentation that happened in our

1552
00:58:15,109 --> 00:58:13,020
deep history tens and tens of thousands

1553
00:58:16,730 --> 00:58:15,119
of years ago that there seems to have

1554
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:16,740
been this leap in our genetic history

1555
00:58:21,770 --> 00:58:19,200
where we suddenly became the dominant

1556
00:58:24,349 --> 00:58:21,780
Alpha species on the planet

1557
00:58:25,609 --> 00:58:24,359
in a way that didn't really fit with the

1558
00:58:27,049 --> 00:58:25,619
pace that had been happening up until

1559
00:58:29,150 --> 00:58:27,059
then right and so if if they're

1560
00:58:31,370 --> 00:58:29,160
supposedly these are naturalistic

1561
00:58:33,710 --> 00:58:31,380
processes through the process of natural

1562
00:58:35,809 --> 00:58:33,720
selection and evolution then you should

1563
00:58:38,569 --> 00:58:35,819
see a certain you know Pace to the whole

1564
00:58:40,430 --> 00:58:38,579
thing and it should be predictable right

1565
00:58:42,109 --> 00:58:40,440
and yet we have this one period where

1566
00:58:45,890 --> 00:58:42,119
there was just a sudden leap in our

1567
00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:45,900
capacity and so not only do we see it in

1568
00:58:49,250 --> 00:58:47,040
these sort of

1569
00:58:51,589 --> 00:58:49,260
deep genetic history of our species in

1570
00:58:53,809 --> 00:58:51,599
the anthropological history of our

1571
00:58:55,309 --> 00:58:53,819
species but again all of the

1572
00:58:58,130 --> 00:58:55,319
experiential literature seems to point

1573
00:58:59,750 --> 00:58:58,140
towards sure enough we are an engineered

1574
00:59:02,270 --> 00:58:59,760
species to some degree we always have

1575
00:59:04,970 --> 00:59:02,280
been but there was a major upgrade so to

1576
00:59:06,650 --> 00:59:04,980
speak that happened you know tens and

1577
00:59:09,289 --> 00:59:06,660
tens of thousands of years ago that

1578
00:59:11,569 --> 00:59:09,299
really launched the modern homo sapien

1579
00:59:13,370 --> 00:59:11,579
sapien and

1580
00:59:15,650 --> 00:59:13,380
um and let me just say that I think part

1581
00:59:18,289 --> 00:59:15,660
of what's going on right now even as we

1582
00:59:20,809 --> 00:59:18,299
speak is an upgrading and augmentation

1583
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:20,819
of capacities for people around the

1584
00:59:25,430 --> 00:59:23,280
planet again I think the number of

1585
00:59:27,349 --> 00:59:25,440
people that have had some sort of even

1586
00:59:28,670 --> 00:59:27,359
recent tweaking meaning in their genetic

1587
00:59:30,710 --> 00:59:28,680
line over the last several Generations

1588
00:59:33,170 --> 00:59:30,720
is a much larger percentage than most

1589
00:59:36,890 --> 00:59:33,180
people realize and for some people it's

1590
00:59:39,289 --> 00:59:36,900
happening at an increasing Pace there

1591
00:59:41,690 --> 00:59:39,299
seems to be an urgency which suggests

1592
00:59:44,750 --> 00:59:41,700
something is coming and this is part of

1593
00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:44,760
a move towards that good

1594
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:46,799
well I could use an upgrade so hopefully

1595
00:59:52,069 --> 00:59:49,680
uh whoever's playing right yeah please

1596
00:59:53,809 --> 00:59:52,079
put in a good word for me

1597
00:59:58,069 --> 00:59:53,819
um all right the next couple that we're

1598
01:00:01,670 --> 00:59:58,079
going to touch on are tied into uh some

1599
01:00:03,230 --> 01:00:01,680
of the kind of control ideas and and one

1600
01:00:05,870 --> 01:00:03,240
is um

1601
01:00:08,450 --> 01:00:05,880
I think in the last couple of years got

1602
01:00:09,950 --> 01:00:08,460
touched on from and I I can't remember

1603
01:00:12,230 --> 01:00:09,960
the gentleman's name

1604
01:00:14,930 --> 01:00:12,240
but uh it used to be part of the Israeli

1605
01:00:16,490 --> 01:00:14,940
space program and there was this uh sort

1606
01:00:18,829 --> 01:00:16,500
of news article that had been written

1607
01:00:21,410 --> 01:00:18,839
that he had said something the effect of

1608
01:00:25,190 --> 01:00:21,420
uh you know the Americans know and yada

1609
01:00:27,010 --> 01:00:25,200
yada but uh the Galactic Federation or

1610
01:00:29,630 --> 01:00:27,020
Council forget the phrasing that he used

1611
01:00:31,309 --> 01:00:29,640
uh just I just decided that it's just

1612
01:00:33,289 --> 01:00:31,319
we're just not ready yet we're not ready

1613
01:00:35,569 --> 01:00:33,299
to kind of for the truth to be revealed

1614
01:00:37,670 --> 01:00:35,579
so it's just gonna we're gonna put a lid

1615
01:00:40,010 --> 01:00:37,680
on that for a little bit longer and I

1616
01:00:41,870 --> 01:00:40,020
mean that was one of those sound bites

1617
01:00:44,510 --> 01:00:41,880
that you know you come across and just

1618
01:00:46,250 --> 01:00:44,520
like wow that's that guy's he's an older

1619
01:00:48,470 --> 01:00:46,260
person okay so he's just not all there

1620
01:00:51,650 --> 01:00:48,480
so I can I can totally toss that out the

1621
01:00:53,750 --> 01:00:51,660
window that seems a little bit Bonkers

1622
01:00:55,910 --> 01:00:53,760
um but uh

1623
01:00:58,250 --> 01:00:55,920
you know there's also a lot of affinity

1624
01:01:01,370 --> 01:00:58,260
for the idea right so in our popular

1625
01:01:03,770 --> 01:01:01,380
culture we have a lot of uh affinity for

1626
01:01:06,170 --> 01:01:03,780
that notion I'm thinking here of Star

1627
01:01:09,109 --> 01:01:06,180
Trek and Star Wars they're they're

1628
01:01:12,710 --> 01:01:09,119
plenty of examples in those uh universes

1629
01:01:14,450 --> 01:01:12,720
uh you know where different beings are

1630
01:01:16,130 --> 01:01:14,460
gathering together and they're trying to

1631
01:01:19,069 --> 01:01:16,140
make decisions together reach a

1632
01:01:22,069 --> 01:01:19,079
consensus uh and how that how they

1633
01:01:24,109 --> 01:01:22,079
operate in you know collectively

1634
01:01:26,930 --> 01:01:24,119
um and we in some ways kind of

1635
01:01:29,990 --> 01:01:26,940
romanticize that idea uh of

1636
01:01:32,270 --> 01:01:30,000
collaboration and it's something we we

1637
01:01:34,010 --> 01:01:32,280
look at that even as almost like not

1638
01:01:36,170 --> 01:01:34,020
just are they aliens but the concept

1639
01:01:38,450 --> 01:01:36,180
itself feels alien to us oh you can get

1640
01:01:39,770 --> 01:01:38,460
around a table and you can you can kind

1641
01:01:41,089 --> 01:01:39,780
of put aside your differences and

1642
01:01:42,890 --> 01:01:41,099
somehow come to a conclusion about

1643
01:01:45,410 --> 01:01:42,900
something and even though you're all

1644
01:01:46,250 --> 01:01:45,420
really different you can get along I

1645
01:01:48,289 --> 01:01:46,260
mean that seems like something

1646
01:01:50,390 --> 01:01:48,299
impossible that we have a difficult time

1647
01:01:52,010 --> 01:01:50,400
doing we have our United Nations of

1648
01:01:55,010 --> 01:01:52,020
course but I mean we're certainly not

1649
01:01:57,829 --> 01:01:55,020
aligned there and every facet of how

1650
01:02:00,410 --> 01:01:57,839
we're doing things and so you know it's

1651
01:02:02,870 --> 01:02:00,420
uh it's a it's a nice idea but I think

1652
01:02:04,370 --> 01:02:02,880
also just feels to sci-fi for a lot of

1653
01:02:06,410 --> 01:02:04,380
folks to go well you know there's some

1654
01:02:07,730 --> 01:02:06,420
truth to that so I don't know what do

1655
01:02:11,150 --> 01:02:07,740
you think about that I'm kind of neutral

1656
01:02:13,130 --> 01:02:11,160
on it I like it I uh I'm also not not

1657
01:02:14,630 --> 01:02:13,140
sure um but is there some good evidence

1658
01:02:16,490 --> 01:02:14,640
for that

1659
01:02:19,190 --> 01:02:16,500
so that's another one where I would say

1660
01:02:21,829 --> 01:02:19,200
to my shock and again my five-year-old

1661
01:02:23,690 --> 01:02:21,839
or my five years ago version of myself

1662
01:02:26,210 --> 01:02:23,700
would have been convinced you can you

1663
01:02:27,829 --> 01:02:26,220
kidnap me and using AI to reproduce my

1664
01:02:29,990 --> 01:02:27,839
voice at this point

1665
01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:30,000
um because yeah I think there's there's

1666
01:02:34,190 --> 01:02:32,160
absolutely evidence for this and I'm I'm

1667
01:02:36,589 --> 01:02:34,200
convinced that such a thing exists such

1668
01:02:38,510 --> 01:02:36,599
an organization and that it is a

1669
01:02:40,250 --> 01:02:38,520
controlling structure behind our reality

1670
01:02:41,930 --> 01:02:40,260
as we speak which again would be

1671
01:02:44,390 --> 01:02:41,940
something I would not have said a few

1672
01:02:46,309 --> 01:02:44,400
years ago I like you I think this is one

1673
01:02:48,710 --> 01:02:46,319
of the Notions that was the most

1674
01:02:51,370 --> 01:02:48,720
difficult for me to embrace because it

1675
01:02:54,950 --> 01:02:51,380
just sounds far too convenient far too

1676
01:02:56,809 --> 01:02:54,960
idealistic you know kind of utopian like

1677
01:02:58,490 --> 01:02:56,819
the Federation of planets you know like

1678
01:02:59,750 --> 01:02:58,500
you said Star Trek

1679
01:03:02,030 --> 01:02:59,760
um where these different civilizations

1680
01:03:04,069 --> 01:03:02,040
come together and I'm sure you have the

1681
01:03:06,170 --> 01:03:04,079
outliers like the Klingons right or the

1682
01:03:07,730 --> 01:03:06,180
romulans who are kind of ineffable

1683
01:03:10,789 --> 01:03:07,740
makers but they'll eventually come into

1684
01:03:12,650 --> 01:03:10,799
the mix too and you know we begin by

1685
01:03:14,329 --> 01:03:12,660
having a few of them on our board or

1686
01:03:17,030 --> 01:03:14,339
Starcraft too

1687
01:03:19,069 --> 01:03:17,040
um but uh

1688
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:19,079
yes I think we can go back and forth a

1689
01:03:23,809 --> 01:03:20,640
bit on this one because

1690
01:03:25,430 --> 01:03:23,819
it is in play but it's also not in play

1691
01:03:27,470 --> 01:03:25,440
in the way that some people think it is

1692
01:03:29,089 --> 01:03:27,480
and I think that there's ways that it

1693
01:03:32,089 --> 01:03:29,099
mirrors the kind of Star Trek notion and

1694
01:03:34,190 --> 01:03:32,099
ways that it actually diverges from that

1695
01:03:36,950 --> 01:03:34,200
notion quite a bit and people sometimes

1696
01:03:40,190 --> 01:03:36,960
make the mistake of attaching their

1697
01:03:42,289 --> 01:03:40,200
assumptions based on sci-fi to the

1698
01:03:43,789 --> 01:03:42,299
reality and and then they're not sure

1699
01:03:46,250 --> 01:03:43,799
what to make sense of the reality but

1700
01:03:48,890 --> 01:03:46,260
because what I'm saying is I think the

1701
01:03:50,630 --> 01:03:48,900
discrepancy comes in how our assumptions

1702
01:03:53,089 --> 01:03:50,640
line up with reality not with the way

1703
01:03:54,069 --> 01:03:53,099
that the galactic federations

1704
01:03:58,069 --> 01:03:54,079
um

1705
01:04:01,250 --> 01:03:58,079
actual structure and modus operandi play

1706
01:04:03,230 --> 01:04:01,260
into the data that we see so

1707
01:04:06,289 --> 01:04:03,240
yes I think it's absolutely part of the

1708
01:04:09,410 --> 01:04:06,299
picture I think that the reason why you

1709
01:04:12,710 --> 01:04:09,420
see uh you know as as Hermes hermetic

1710
01:04:14,030 --> 01:04:12,720
penetrator would say you definitely see

1711
01:04:15,589 --> 01:04:14,040
um

1712
01:04:17,329 --> 01:04:15,599
what looks like some coordination that

1713
01:04:20,089 --> 01:04:17,339
even if there are different alien groups

1714
01:04:22,010 --> 01:04:20,099
there seems to be some sort of

1715
01:04:24,230 --> 01:04:22,020
set of guidelines that tend to be

1716
01:04:26,390 --> 01:04:24,240
followed right like that you don't you

1717
01:04:28,130 --> 01:04:26,400
don't land in Central Park and throw a

1718
01:04:30,589 --> 01:04:28,140
party you know and say hey this you know

1719
01:04:32,089 --> 01:04:30,599
we're here right you do things on the

1720
01:04:33,829 --> 01:04:32,099
down low

1721
01:04:35,870 --> 01:04:33,839
um you you do things in such a way that

1722
01:04:36,770 --> 01:04:35,880
it it for those who are Skeptics who

1723
01:04:38,450 --> 01:04:36,780
don't believe the whole thing is

1724
01:04:40,010 --> 01:04:38,460
happening they can continue to believe

1725
01:04:41,510 --> 01:04:40,020
that without being confronted by

1726
01:04:43,609 --> 01:04:41,520
evidence that tells them something

1727
01:04:46,970 --> 01:04:43,619
contrary

1728
01:04:48,289 --> 01:04:46,980
so there is this overarching structure

1729
01:04:49,609 --> 01:04:48,299
there are principles that are being

1730
01:04:51,349 --> 01:04:49,619
followed something like the prime

1731
01:04:53,089 --> 01:04:51,359
directive on Star Trek where there is

1732
01:04:54,289 --> 01:04:53,099
this notion that in order for our

1733
01:04:56,150 --> 01:04:54,299
civilization which from their

1734
01:04:58,789 --> 01:04:56,160
perspective is fairly young and immature

1735
01:05:00,890 --> 01:04:58,799
still has nation-states and imaginary

1736
01:05:02,930 --> 01:05:00,900
borders and not a sharing of resources

1737
01:05:05,089 --> 01:05:02,940
and things like that still have power

1738
01:05:07,069 --> 01:05:05,099
players that are dominating a kind of

1739
01:05:08,569 --> 01:05:07,079
sheep-like populace that are oblivious

1740
01:05:09,890 --> 01:05:08,579
but these are all very like low

1741
01:05:11,870 --> 01:05:09,900
Consciousness level kind of

1742
01:05:16,549 --> 01:05:11,880
civilizational

1743
01:05:19,549 --> 01:05:16,559
um kind of some signposts or Flags

1744
01:05:22,250 --> 01:05:19,559
but all that is to say in the same way

1745
01:05:25,490 --> 01:05:22,260
that we

1746
01:05:27,950 --> 01:05:25,500
have to figure out how do we live our

1747
01:05:30,250 --> 01:05:27,960
lives how do we develop our cities while

1748
01:05:33,589 --> 01:05:30,260
also allowing space for animals to live

1749
01:05:34,910 --> 01:05:33,599
for Amazonian tribes who maybe don't

1750
01:05:36,530 --> 01:05:34,920
want to be confronted by the modern

1751
01:05:38,510 --> 01:05:36,540
world to live the way they would want to

1752
01:05:39,890 --> 01:05:38,520
live right we have to sort of balance in

1753
01:05:42,470 --> 01:05:39,900
other words these different free Wells

1754
01:05:45,170 --> 01:05:42,480
we Free Will sets of different groups

1755
01:05:47,150 --> 01:05:45,180
that are coexisting on a planet right

1756
01:05:50,329 --> 01:05:47,160
in the same way I think the galactical

1757
01:05:52,549 --> 01:05:50,339
or the galactic superstructure

1758
01:05:53,690 --> 01:05:52,559
uh organizational structure has to do

1759
01:05:55,309 --> 01:05:53,700
some of the same thing but in a much

1760
01:05:58,250 --> 01:05:55,319
more complex level they have to try to

1761
01:06:00,410 --> 01:05:58,260
balance the Free Will exercise and

1762
01:06:01,789 --> 01:06:00,420
constraints on in terms of how it

1763
01:06:04,250 --> 01:06:01,799
impacts other beings and other

1764
01:06:06,289 --> 01:06:04,260
civilizations across a Galaxy not just

1765
01:06:08,329 --> 01:06:06,299
across a planet

1766
01:06:10,609 --> 01:06:08,339
so that creates some scenarios where

1767
01:06:12,410 --> 01:06:10,619
some things that are allowed

1768
01:06:14,710 --> 01:06:12,420
might surprise some people so even

1769
01:06:17,450 --> 01:06:14,720
though there is a largely benevolent

1770
01:06:20,510 --> 01:06:17,460
overarching organizational structure

1771
01:06:22,609 --> 01:06:20,520
they still allow for subgroups of for

1772
01:06:24,430 --> 01:06:22,619
instance one group of graves to make

1773
01:06:27,529 --> 01:06:24,440
Accords with some

1774
01:06:28,849 --> 01:06:27,539
governments that are not necessarily in

1775
01:06:30,470 --> 01:06:28,859
the best interest of the citizens and

1776
01:06:32,329 --> 01:06:30,480
again the reason they don't step in some

1777
01:06:33,829 --> 01:06:32,339
of these more benevolent ones that are

1778
01:06:35,510 --> 01:06:33,839
also part of this overarching structure

1779
01:06:37,910 --> 01:06:35,520
is because

1780
01:06:39,829 --> 01:06:37,920
number one like you said earlier those

1781
01:06:42,470 --> 01:06:39,839
Graves that are kind of still Power

1782
01:06:44,390 --> 01:06:42,480
Players need to learn their own lessons

1783
01:06:45,410 --> 01:06:44,400
about what happens when you do that and

1784
01:06:47,029 --> 01:06:45,420
eventually

1785
01:06:48,589 --> 01:06:47,039
again according to the law of one you

1786
01:06:49,849 --> 01:06:48,599
eventually recognize that everything is

1787
01:06:52,370 --> 01:06:49,859
connected and it's in your own best

1788
01:06:53,990 --> 01:06:52,380
interest to not dominate others

1789
01:06:55,190 --> 01:06:54,000
but you can't just tell them that you

1790
01:06:57,230 --> 01:06:55,200
can't force them that you have to let

1791
01:06:59,510 --> 01:06:57,240
them exercise their free will

1792
01:07:02,089 --> 01:06:59,520
and because there's this kind of this

1793
01:07:04,250 --> 01:07:02,099
their tendency is more to view things on

1794
01:07:05,630 --> 01:07:04,260
a civilization level rather than on an

1795
01:07:07,370 --> 01:07:05,640
individual level that's a very human

1796
01:07:09,170 --> 01:07:07,380
thing a very Earth human thing is to be

1797
01:07:11,029 --> 01:07:09,180
so focused on the individual

1798
01:07:18,049 --> 01:07:11,039
so

1799
01:07:20,569 --> 01:07:18,059
it's allowed because these are

1800
01:07:22,190 --> 01:07:20,579
considered our representatives and so

1801
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:22,200
some semblance of our civilization

1802
01:07:26,150 --> 01:07:24,480
agreed to this and so that's why it's

1803
01:07:28,069 --> 01:07:26,160
allowed because we kind of you know were

1804
01:07:30,950 --> 01:07:28,079
part of the process so

1805
01:07:32,390 --> 01:07:30,960
uh malevolent group malevolent group

1806
01:07:34,190 --> 01:07:32,400
wouldn't be allowed to just come in and

1807
01:07:36,589 --> 01:07:34,200
dominate us against our will but when we

1808
01:07:38,690 --> 01:07:36,599
make you know willful Accords with them

1809
01:07:40,010 --> 01:07:38,700
through our leadership then that is

1810
01:07:42,829 --> 01:07:40,020
allowed within that overarching

1811
01:07:44,990 --> 01:07:42,839
structure so I think yes I've come

1812
01:07:46,549 --> 01:07:45,000
around to realize this is part of the

1813
01:07:49,730 --> 01:07:46,559
picture and it helps to explain why

1814
01:07:51,650 --> 01:07:49,740
there's a certain

1815
01:07:53,329 --> 01:07:51,660
common

1816
01:07:55,130 --> 01:07:53,339
data set in terms of how these different

1817
01:07:57,410 --> 01:07:55,140
groups show up and how they interact

1818
01:07:58,910 --> 01:07:57,420
with us but some of the Divergence we

1819
01:08:01,190 --> 01:07:58,920
see in some other being more malevolent

1820
01:08:02,809 --> 01:08:01,200
some being more malevolent benevolent is

1821
01:08:04,849 --> 01:08:02,819
because that even within that structure

1822
01:08:07,789 --> 01:08:04,859
you're quite a Divergence in terms of

1823
01:08:10,250 --> 01:08:07,799
Developmental levels yeah

1824
01:08:11,569 --> 01:08:10,260
the takeaway here is it's not just about

1825
01:08:13,010 --> 01:08:11,579
us

1826
01:08:14,990 --> 01:08:13,020
I think that's one of the hardest things

1827
01:08:19,010 --> 01:08:15,000
to understand

1828
01:08:22,130 --> 01:08:19,020
for many people is that that we are

1829
01:08:26,410 --> 01:08:22,140
super fixated on everything being about

1830
01:08:30,229 --> 01:08:26,420
us right it's about humanity and our our

1831
01:08:31,729 --> 01:08:30,239
part in the story and uh

1832
01:08:33,530 --> 01:08:31,739
you know

1833
01:08:36,590 --> 01:08:33,540
everyone's going to be so different than

1834
01:08:37,849 --> 01:08:36,600
we are uh and it's all you know whatever

1835
01:08:39,530 --> 01:08:37,859
they're going to do it's they're going

1836
01:08:41,510 --> 01:08:39,540
to do something for us or against us

1837
01:08:43,570 --> 01:08:41,520
like we're we're the central player in

1838
01:08:46,550 --> 01:08:43,580
the entire narrative I think

1839
01:08:48,769 --> 01:08:46,560
kind of if you can get rid of that

1840
01:08:51,229 --> 01:08:48,779
notion altogether it's going to help you

1841
01:08:54,709 --> 01:08:51,239
in understanding some of these Concepts

1842
01:08:56,809 --> 01:08:54,719
because uh once you

1843
01:08:58,430 --> 01:08:56,819
take a broader View

1844
01:09:00,349 --> 01:08:58,440
you know that what we're talking about

1845
01:09:02,450 --> 01:09:00,359
here and and if you haven't heard our

1846
01:09:04,070 --> 01:09:02,460
episode on unconsciousness I think this

1847
01:09:05,530 --> 01:09:04,080
was a couple episodes ago I think you

1848
01:09:09,470 --> 01:09:05,540
know start there and come back because

1849
01:09:11,349 --> 01:09:09,480
it all does layer up from there and when

1850
01:09:15,590 --> 01:09:11,359
you take that broader View

1851
01:09:20,030 --> 01:09:15,600
that that life that intelligence that

1852
01:09:23,570 --> 01:09:20,040
Consciousness is a process that is in in

1853
01:09:26,090 --> 01:09:23,580
motion uh in becoming

1854
01:09:28,990 --> 01:09:26,100
once you understand that then you can

1855
01:09:32,930 --> 01:09:29,000
look at all of these different

1856
01:09:33,950 --> 01:09:32,940
experiences players beings Etc and you

1857
01:09:35,870 --> 01:09:33,960
can see

1858
01:09:38,229 --> 01:09:35,880
that

1859
01:09:40,430 --> 01:09:38,239
motion at work you can see it in in

1860
01:09:42,950 --> 01:09:40,440
movement and then you get under you can

1861
01:09:43,849 --> 01:09:42,960
better understand it and I think that

1862
01:09:45,950 --> 01:09:43,859
gives

1863
01:09:48,709 --> 01:09:45,960
can give you some peace as well because

1864
01:09:50,030 --> 01:09:48,719
there's this and this is just like the

1865
01:09:52,970 --> 01:09:50,040
uh

1866
01:09:54,669 --> 01:09:52,980
the way in which we really cling hard to

1867
01:09:59,930 --> 01:09:54,679
our Notions of self

1868
01:10:02,150 --> 01:09:59,940
uh that it's so persistent and so

1869
01:10:05,150 --> 01:10:02,160
compelling that we we have a difficult

1870
01:10:08,390 --> 01:10:05,160
time letting that notion go that we

1871
01:10:10,669 --> 01:10:08,400
aren't just the string of stories that

1872
01:10:11,930 --> 01:10:10,679
we put together that we call Nathan or

1873
01:10:13,910 --> 01:10:11,940
that we call Darren you know there were

1874
01:10:16,310 --> 01:10:13,920
something else that uh that were not

1875
01:10:18,350 --> 01:10:16,320
that at all you know I think you know

1876
01:10:20,930 --> 01:10:18,360
we're it's difficult to get rid of that

1877
01:10:23,570 --> 01:10:20,940
idea and but what once you do once you

1878
01:10:25,810 --> 01:10:23,580
can disentangle that from uh you know

1879
01:10:28,189 --> 01:10:25,820
your world view it was a lot easier to

1880
01:10:29,990 --> 01:10:28,199
accept than understand some of these

1881
01:10:32,090 --> 01:10:30,000
other positions

1882
01:10:33,950 --> 01:10:32,100
um but but still very challenging I mean

1883
01:10:36,169 --> 01:10:33,960
you know just as you talk about it it's

1884
01:10:38,570 --> 01:10:36,179
hard for us not to anthropomorphize you

1885
01:10:41,030 --> 01:10:38,580
know the beings and the robes coming to

1886
01:10:42,950 --> 01:10:41,040
this cool Galactic table you know doing

1887
01:10:44,270 --> 01:10:42,960
some things having some conversation and

1888
01:10:45,709 --> 01:10:44,280
that's not necessarily what we're

1889
01:10:48,830 --> 01:10:45,719
talking about although it could be some

1890
01:10:50,330 --> 01:10:48,840
of that uh you know it's it's it's more

1891
01:10:51,830 --> 01:10:50,340
than that uh

1892
01:10:54,290 --> 01:10:51,840
so

1893
01:10:56,090 --> 01:10:54,300
a lot of challenges here uh we've used

1894
01:10:58,729 --> 01:10:56,100
the word complex many times this episode

1895
01:11:00,530 --> 01:10:58,739
I I don't I don't know how to get around

1896
01:11:03,830 --> 01:11:00,540
it there's no simple way to look at this

1897
01:11:06,290 --> 01:11:03,840
it's a very complicated issue

1898
01:11:07,430 --> 01:11:06,300
it is and and you know as you first

1899
01:11:08,990 --> 01:11:07,440
started talking there I thought about

1900
01:11:11,390 --> 01:11:09,000
another example

1901
01:11:13,850 --> 01:11:11,400
along these lines

1902
01:11:16,310 --> 01:11:13,860
um where you mentioned how everything's

1903
01:11:19,490 --> 01:11:16,320
about us in our perspective

1904
01:11:21,229 --> 01:11:19,500
well that's also brings to mind the fact

1905
01:11:23,149 --> 01:11:21,239
that there are some groups

1906
01:11:24,830 --> 01:11:23,159
to which we are largely an afterthought

1907
01:11:27,229 --> 01:11:24,840
you know the same way that we might not

1908
01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:27,239
spend a ton of our personal time

1909
01:11:30,770 --> 01:11:28,560
thinking about a particular turtle

1910
01:11:33,110 --> 01:11:30,780
species right

1911
01:11:35,510 --> 01:11:33,120
um in Hawaii or something

1912
01:11:37,910 --> 01:11:35,520
um we assume that we would be a big deal

1913
01:11:39,050 --> 01:11:37,920
to whoever else is out there right uh

1914
01:11:41,689 --> 01:11:39,060
whether like you say whether they want

1915
01:11:43,729 --> 01:11:41,699
to dominate us or Unite with us or throw

1916
01:11:47,870 --> 01:11:43,739
a big party or whatever we assume they'd

1917
01:11:50,390 --> 01:11:47,880
be like hey humans big deal but you know

1918
01:11:51,950 --> 01:11:50,400
not so much the case again on the

1919
01:11:54,350 --> 01:11:51,960
galactic scale where we're a fairly

1920
01:11:56,450 --> 01:11:54,360
young civilization and still fairly

1921
01:12:00,169 --> 01:11:56,460
barbaric and um

1922
01:12:01,729 --> 01:12:00,179
and part of the lesson of the atomic age

1923
01:12:03,050 --> 01:12:01,739
which again that's a complex one in

1924
01:12:05,209 --> 01:12:03,060
itself that I could spend an entire

1925
01:12:07,189 --> 01:12:05,219
episode on talk about the complexities

1926
01:12:09,110 --> 01:12:07,199
of why we saw so much of the UFO

1927
01:12:10,850 --> 01:12:09,120
phenomenon flare up right around the

1928
01:12:12,649 --> 01:12:10,860
dawn of the atomic era

1929
01:12:15,110 --> 01:12:12,659
but one of the

1930
01:12:16,850 --> 01:12:15,120
pieces in play there was that there was

1931
01:12:18,709 --> 01:12:16,860
a certain group that kind of did kind of

1932
01:12:20,810 --> 01:12:18,719
ignore us up until that point

1933
01:12:23,330 --> 01:12:20,820
coexisted you know without us being

1934
01:12:26,149 --> 01:12:23,340
really aware in a kind of Shadow biome

1935
01:12:28,250 --> 01:12:26,159
and but when we start detonating atomic

1936
01:12:30,050 --> 01:12:28,260
bombs and splitting apart the structure

1937
01:12:32,450 --> 01:12:30,060
of reality to try and play our silly

1938
01:12:35,270 --> 01:12:32,460
power play games between nation states

1939
01:12:37,250 --> 01:12:35,280
and our imaginary borders then they're

1940
01:12:39,050 --> 01:12:37,260
like okay the kids in the playground are

1941
01:12:40,250 --> 01:12:39,060
now causing some problems in the larger

1942
01:12:41,510 --> 01:12:40,260
environment you know what I mean even

1943
01:12:43,189 --> 01:12:41,520
the energetic environment the

1944
01:12:46,310 --> 01:12:43,199
interdimensional environment

1945
01:12:48,169 --> 01:12:46,320
and so we need to step in so yeah this

1946
01:12:49,729 --> 01:12:48,179
is a blow to our Collective ego that

1947
01:12:52,010 --> 01:12:49,739
sometimes we earn such a big deal and

1948
01:12:53,149 --> 01:12:52,020
it's only the damage we're doing is

1949
01:12:55,370 --> 01:12:53,159
actually forcing some of the

1950
01:12:59,930 --> 01:12:55,380
intervention that's been in play for the

1951
01:13:04,370 --> 01:13:02,149
well another

1952
01:13:05,870 --> 01:13:04,380
idea we've got a couple more ideas to

1953
01:13:07,729 --> 01:13:05,880
get through another one that kind of

1954
01:13:10,010 --> 01:13:07,739
comes up often

1955
01:13:11,689 --> 01:13:10,020
and we've started a little bit here but

1956
01:13:13,729 --> 01:13:11,699
I think it would be worth going through

1957
01:13:16,010 --> 01:13:13,739
it in a little more detail

1958
01:13:18,590 --> 01:13:16,020
and that's this notion of

1959
01:13:21,709 --> 01:13:18,600
like a control group or or a shadow

1960
01:13:26,450 --> 01:13:21,719
government uh some sort of

1961
01:13:30,890 --> 01:13:26,460
Force at work in our world that

1962
01:13:34,189 --> 01:13:30,900
is orchestrating things in a way that

1963
01:13:37,189 --> 01:13:34,199
happens below the surface right that um

1964
01:13:39,229 --> 01:13:37,199
this is I mean gosh this is tied to some

1965
01:13:40,970 --> 01:13:39,239
of the oldest conspiracy theories that

1966
01:13:43,970 --> 01:13:40,980
there are that there are you know the

1967
01:13:46,430 --> 01:13:43,980
Illuminati uh comes to mind you know

1968
01:13:48,830 --> 01:13:46,440
these secret groups that uh run the

1969
01:13:50,810 --> 01:13:48,840
world and uh make everybody make the

1970
01:13:53,450 --> 01:13:50,820
people the Sheep all think that you know

1971
01:13:54,709 --> 01:13:53,460
it's not like that at all

1972
01:13:58,070 --> 01:13:54,719
um and that's what they want you to

1973
01:13:59,870 --> 01:13:58,080
think so I mean this is a hard one many

1974
01:14:02,149 --> 01:13:59,880
of these are difficult I get it I mean I

1975
01:14:03,709 --> 01:14:02,159
think like you said uh who you would be

1976
01:14:07,189 --> 01:14:03,719
five years ago listening to this would

1977
01:14:10,070 --> 01:14:07,199
just think you've lost it but uh

1978
01:14:12,110 --> 01:14:10,080
you know how do we even wrap our heads

1979
01:14:14,689 --> 01:14:12,120
around this one that uh that this is an

1980
01:14:17,870 --> 01:14:14,699
actual thing you know and if it is an

1981
01:14:19,669 --> 01:14:17,880
actual thing I mean is it is it take the

1982
01:14:21,229 --> 01:14:19,679
shape of like a a boardroom meeting

1983
01:14:23,689 --> 01:14:21,239
where they get together and they plan

1984
01:14:25,550 --> 01:14:23,699
stuff or uh you know how is it actually

1985
01:14:28,010 --> 01:14:25,560
function if we have any insight into

1986
01:14:29,510 --> 01:14:28,020
that mall

1987
01:14:31,490 --> 01:14:29,520
well

1988
01:14:34,010 --> 01:14:31,500
not surprisingly surprisingly this could

1989
01:14:36,410 --> 01:14:34,020
also be an entire episode or several

1990
01:14:38,630 --> 01:14:36,420
but I would say that yes again this is

1991
01:14:41,390 --> 01:14:38,640
another one where I've had to eat some

1992
01:14:44,510 --> 01:14:41,400
Humble Pie and say that this is

1993
01:14:46,370 --> 01:14:44,520
definitely in play that

1994
01:14:48,310 --> 01:14:46,380
um you know Richard Dolan's talked about

1995
01:14:52,130 --> 01:14:48,320
this notion of a breakaway civilization

1996
01:14:53,090 --> 01:14:52,140
uh there are hints after World War II of

1997
01:14:55,189 --> 01:14:53,100
certain

1998
01:14:59,030 --> 01:14:55,199
Elite people groups

1999
01:15:00,470 --> 01:14:59,040
partly including Nazis or ex-nazis

2000
01:15:02,330 --> 01:15:00,480
fleeing to different parts of the world

2001
01:15:04,610 --> 01:15:02,340
and

2002
01:15:07,250 --> 01:15:04,620
taking technological advances that have

2003
01:15:09,470 --> 01:15:07,260
partly been inspired by cooperation with

2004
01:15:10,610 --> 01:15:09,480
some non-human intelligences or at least

2005
01:15:12,950 --> 01:15:10,620
some non-conventionally human

2006
01:15:14,810 --> 01:15:12,960
intelligences because sometimes future

2007
01:15:16,490 --> 01:15:14,820
humans are in the piece picture too not

2008
01:15:18,610 --> 01:15:16,500
sorry to make it more complex but that's

2009
01:15:22,310 --> 01:15:18,620
the nature of the Beast

2010
01:15:24,649 --> 01:15:22,320
that that some of those groups now are

2011
01:15:27,110 --> 01:15:24,659
this Elite and

2012
01:15:29,630 --> 01:15:27,120
um mostly hidden power structure in our

2013
01:15:31,310 --> 01:15:29,640
world which have developed capacities

2014
01:15:35,030 --> 01:15:31,320
and economic structures that allow them

2015
01:15:36,350 --> 01:15:35,040
to flourish really without having to be

2016
01:15:38,330 --> 01:15:36,360
connected to any of our economic

2017
01:15:40,970 --> 01:15:38,340
structures or our our resource base

2018
01:15:42,709 --> 01:15:40,980
because they have things like zero point

2019
01:15:45,050 --> 01:15:42,719
technology and whatnot

2020
01:15:47,390 --> 01:15:45,060
so again that sounds far-fetched it

2021
01:15:50,209 --> 01:15:47,400
sounds like a great like Sci-Fi series

2022
01:15:51,590 --> 01:15:50,219
right but I'm saying I actually think

2023
01:15:54,350 --> 01:15:51,600
this is in this is part of the picture

2024
01:15:56,090 --> 01:15:54,360
and again I understand how outlandish

2025
01:15:58,189 --> 01:15:56,100
that sounds to some people

2026
01:15:59,450 --> 01:15:58,199
but again when I look at the evidence

2027
01:16:01,430 --> 01:15:59,460
I've seen that's kind of what it's

2028
01:16:03,410 --> 01:16:01,440
pointing towards and this is where again

2029
01:16:06,050 --> 01:16:03,420
we really

2030
01:16:08,390 --> 01:16:06,060
come into this question of how much when

2031
01:16:11,270 --> 01:16:08,400
we talk about is it ours quote unquote

2032
01:16:13,610 --> 01:16:11,280
who's who's us there right who's the US

2033
01:16:15,530 --> 01:16:13,620
that that belongs to and I'm not

2034
01:16:17,390 --> 01:16:15,540
convinced it's you know Democratic

2035
01:16:19,310 --> 01:16:17,400
structures such as you know the American

2036
01:16:21,530 --> 01:16:19,320
populace or

2037
01:16:23,570 --> 01:16:21,540
other Western civilizations

2038
01:16:25,790 --> 01:16:23,580
or even part of the you know

2039
01:16:27,649 --> 01:16:25,800
acknowledged known set of nation-states

2040
01:16:29,030 --> 01:16:27,659
in the in the world it's it's some sort

2041
01:16:32,209 --> 01:16:29,040
of

2042
01:16:33,530 --> 01:16:32,219
um exopolitical group that exists apart

2043
01:16:35,750 --> 01:16:33,540
from everyone else and to some degree

2044
01:16:37,430 --> 01:16:35,760
can pull the levers in in the rest of

2045
01:16:39,590 --> 01:16:37,440
the civilization because they are so far

2046
01:16:40,970 --> 01:16:39,600
ahead in some of these areas including

2047
01:16:43,550 --> 01:16:40,980
perhaps even in Consciousness

2048
01:16:45,050 --> 01:16:43,560
Technologies right so part of what

2049
01:16:46,729 --> 01:16:45,060
happens with some of these others is

2050
01:16:48,649 --> 01:16:46,739
that they can wield this remarkable

2051
01:16:51,110 --> 01:16:48,659
psychic influence on us

2052
01:16:52,850 --> 01:16:51,120
but I think some of the these power

2053
01:16:54,890 --> 01:16:52,860
players that have involved human groups

2054
01:16:56,750 --> 01:16:54,900
have also been working on that for

2055
01:16:59,390 --> 01:16:56,760
decades and decades and decades and have

2056
01:17:01,490 --> 01:16:59,400
probably psychotronic weapons that would

2057
01:17:03,950 --> 01:17:01,500
be shocking to us what's what's possible

2058
01:17:05,630 --> 01:17:03,960
that they could you know make us do

2059
01:17:07,070 --> 01:17:05,640
something and and again if we haven't

2060
01:17:09,830 --> 01:17:07,080
developed that inner awareness

2061
01:17:12,590 --> 01:17:09,840
cultivated that inner science of growing

2062
01:17:15,050 --> 01:17:12,600
our own deep spiritual energetic

2063
01:17:17,450 --> 01:17:15,060
awareness then we are largely kind of

2064
01:17:20,149 --> 01:17:17,460
like uh an old computer system when the

2065
01:17:22,070 --> 01:17:20,159
internet first came online where we have

2066
01:17:23,209 --> 01:17:22,080
these these leaky ports right where

2067
01:17:25,070 --> 01:17:23,219
someone can wire right into your

2068
01:17:26,330 --> 01:17:25,080
computer can steal files you don't know

2069
01:17:29,030 --> 01:17:26,340
anything about it we didn't design

2070
01:17:30,229 --> 01:17:29,040
computers back then to be aware of that

2071
01:17:31,370 --> 01:17:30,239
kind of thing happening right if you

2072
01:17:33,350 --> 01:17:31,380
didn't plug something in there's nothing

2073
01:17:35,090 --> 01:17:33,360
to be worried about right think about

2074
01:17:37,430 --> 01:17:35,100
that way with human beings that we are

2075
01:17:40,070 --> 01:17:37,440
like beings walking around with leaky

2076
01:17:41,990 --> 01:17:40,080
ports and so these other entities both

2077
01:17:43,370 --> 01:17:42,000
human and non-human some

2078
01:17:46,729 --> 01:17:43,380
non-conventionally human from the future

2079
01:17:49,070 --> 01:17:46,739
some of this Breakaway civilization have

2080
01:17:50,630 --> 01:17:49,080
these capacities to connect like a Wi-Fi

2081
01:17:53,090 --> 01:17:50,640
connection into our Consciousness and

2082
01:17:54,350 --> 01:17:53,100
impact Us in different ways so and again

2083
01:17:57,290 --> 01:17:54,360
there's some benevolent groups doing

2084
01:17:58,729 --> 01:17:57,300
that for good inspiring people

2085
01:18:00,290 --> 01:17:58,739
um giving people technological

2086
01:18:01,729 --> 01:18:00,300
innovations that are meant to help our

2087
01:18:03,470 --> 01:18:01,739
society move forward I'm aware of that

2088
01:18:04,970 --> 01:18:03,480
some of that going on even right now

2089
01:18:08,870 --> 01:18:04,980
while also there are some that are

2090
01:18:10,669 --> 01:18:08,880
trying to uh foment Division and bring

2091
01:18:12,350 --> 01:18:10,679
about wars and things that Tom Delong

2092
01:18:14,510 --> 01:18:12,360
kind of talked about that I used to kind

2093
01:18:16,790 --> 01:18:14,520
of mock at one point and it has all

2094
01:18:18,890 --> 01:18:16,800
three tumble pie in that area too so

2095
01:18:22,310 --> 01:18:18,900
this is this is all all in plan again

2096
01:18:23,689 --> 01:18:22,320
sorry that it's so complex well and I

2097
01:18:25,070 --> 01:18:23,699
was I'm glad you brought a town along

2098
01:18:27,110 --> 01:18:25,080
because I was going to bring him up as

2099
01:18:29,330 --> 01:18:27,120
well these are some thoughts and ideas

2100
01:18:33,410 --> 01:18:29,340
that were present in the secret machines

2101
01:18:34,850 --> 01:18:33,420
books uh the the um the fiction books

2102
01:18:36,950 --> 01:18:34,860
which I recommend they're really fun to

2103
01:18:40,610 --> 01:18:36,960
read but he's woven in some of these

2104
01:18:42,709 --> 01:18:40,620
ideas uh into those books as well yeah

2105
01:18:44,750 --> 01:18:42,719
fictioning quotes right a fiction yeah

2106
01:18:45,410 --> 01:18:44,760
fiction exactly

2107
01:18:47,930 --> 01:18:45,420
um

2108
01:18:55,610 --> 01:18:47,940
it's

2109
01:18:57,110 --> 01:18:55,620
think sit with these ideas because they

2110
01:18:58,490 --> 01:18:57,120
are so

2111
01:19:00,709 --> 01:18:58,500
uh

2112
01:19:04,790 --> 01:19:00,719
destabilizing

2113
01:19:07,910 --> 01:19:04,800
um and you you can leave

2114
01:19:09,830 --> 01:19:07,920
after having tried to trying to digest

2115
01:19:11,630 --> 01:19:09,840
these ideas you can come away feeling

2116
01:19:13,790 --> 01:19:11,640
like you've

2117
01:19:15,290 --> 01:19:13,800
you know you're kind of sense of self is

2118
01:19:16,610 --> 01:19:15,300
falling apart the world that you thought

2119
01:19:18,290 --> 01:19:16,620
you knew everything that you've been

2120
01:19:20,149 --> 01:19:18,300
told all these different you feel like

2121
01:19:21,530 --> 01:19:20,159
you're you know Neo in The Matrix in a

2122
01:19:25,070 --> 01:19:21,540
way it's just nothing makes sense

2123
01:19:26,450 --> 01:19:25,080
anymore and uh It Up Is Down Down is up

2124
01:19:27,950 --> 01:19:26,460
Etc

2125
01:19:31,010 --> 01:19:27,960
um

2126
01:19:32,510 --> 01:19:31,020
you know before we go to the next topic

2127
01:19:34,610 --> 01:19:32,520
I mean I think this just isn't the side

2128
01:19:36,890 --> 01:19:34,620
like how do we

2129
01:19:40,550 --> 01:19:36,900
we talk about the word discernment we

2130
01:19:42,830 --> 01:19:40,560
talk about uh you know kind of spiritual

2131
01:19:45,229 --> 01:19:42,840
hygiene things of that nature how do we

2132
01:19:48,169 --> 01:19:45,239
kind of keep it together uh in the face

2133
01:19:50,330 --> 01:19:48,179
of a lot of these Concepts

2134
01:19:52,610 --> 01:19:50,340
um and

2135
01:19:54,590 --> 01:19:52,620
you know navigate this in a healthy way

2136
01:19:57,110 --> 01:19:54,600
I mean are we

2137
01:19:59,510 --> 01:19:57,120
would you recommend in other words that

2138
01:20:02,870 --> 01:19:59,520
people uh you know kind of entertain

2139
01:20:05,870 --> 01:20:02,880
some of the these Notions feel them out

2140
01:20:06,890 --> 01:20:05,880
you know use their own discernment uh

2141
01:20:09,169 --> 01:20:06,900
you know

2142
01:20:12,110 --> 01:20:09,179
do their own Explorations like how do

2143
01:20:14,810 --> 01:20:12,120
you how do you expect people to digest a

2144
01:20:16,310 --> 01:20:14,820
lot of these ideas

2145
01:20:18,890 --> 01:20:16,320
well first of all I acknowledge that

2146
01:20:22,550 --> 01:20:18,900
it's a lot to take in and

2147
01:20:24,229 --> 01:20:22,560
I think one of my unique capacities was

2148
01:20:26,510 --> 01:20:24,239
to be able to juggle a lot of ideas at

2149
01:20:27,590 --> 01:20:26,520
the same time and sort of sort of hold

2150
01:20:30,050 --> 01:20:27,600
them all up

2151
01:20:32,450 --> 01:20:30,060
in a conceptual space where I can see

2152
01:20:33,770 --> 01:20:32,460
how they work together and I feel like

2153
01:20:36,590 --> 01:20:33,780
there's been some inspiration that's

2154
01:20:38,510 --> 01:20:36,600
allowed me to do that maybe Beyond a bit

2155
01:20:40,790 --> 01:20:38,520
of a normal capacity like I'm not sure

2156
01:20:43,189 --> 01:20:40,800
how I make sense of it all but I do kind

2157
01:20:45,950 --> 01:20:43,199
of have this clear seeing of how this

2158
01:20:47,510 --> 01:20:45,960
kind of fits together now somebody might

2159
01:20:50,209 --> 01:20:47,520
think I'm completely crazy and saying

2160
01:20:52,310 --> 01:20:50,219
that or I'm full of it I I welcome those

2161
01:20:54,530 --> 01:20:52,320
challenges I'm just trying to be honest

2162
01:20:55,910 --> 01:20:54,540
about the way I see things and I'm being

2163
01:20:57,830 --> 01:20:55,920
honest with the fact that this is as

2164
01:21:00,169 --> 01:20:57,840
much a surprise to me

2165
01:21:01,850 --> 01:21:00,179
that I think of all this as being in

2166
01:21:03,169 --> 01:21:01,860
play now compared to who I was a few

2167
01:21:05,570 --> 01:21:03,179
years ago

2168
01:21:08,390 --> 01:21:05,580
um but I think one key speaking of

2169
01:21:09,830 --> 01:21:08,400
conceptualization is to in order to

2170
01:21:11,570 --> 01:21:09,840
prepare for this world that's already

2171
01:21:13,850 --> 01:21:11,580
here but to some people it feels like

2172
01:21:16,189 --> 01:21:13,860
it's coming but it's it's already here

2173
01:21:17,450 --> 01:21:16,199
is to develop this inner awareness so

2174
01:21:19,790 --> 01:21:17,460
like you mentioned the word spiritual

2175
01:21:21,530 --> 01:21:19,800
hygiene you know and

2176
01:21:22,970 --> 01:21:21,540
again like that person I was talking to

2177
01:21:24,770 --> 01:21:22,980
in social media

2178
01:21:27,470 --> 01:21:24,780
who was wondering if I meant we should

2179
01:21:30,590 --> 01:21:27,480
just use our reasoning abilities our raw

2180
01:21:32,930 --> 01:21:30,600
sort of Left Brain critical analysis to

2181
01:21:35,390 --> 01:21:32,940
to figure out who's good and who's not

2182
01:21:38,270 --> 01:21:35,400
right I'm saying no it's none of that at

2183
01:21:40,430 --> 01:21:38,280
all it's an intuitive kind of direct

2184
01:21:42,590 --> 01:21:40,440
knowing that because there are porous

2185
01:21:44,330 --> 01:21:42,600
boundaries between all of reality we

2186
01:21:45,590 --> 01:21:44,340
don't have to just look at someone's

2187
01:21:47,810 --> 01:21:45,600
body language and say that guy's

2188
01:21:50,510 --> 01:21:47,820
fidgeting or why is his eye twitching

2189
01:21:52,910 --> 01:21:50,520
right we can tap into Source obviously

2190
01:21:54,490 --> 01:21:52,920
not completely not perfectly but I'm

2191
01:21:56,870 --> 01:21:54,500
saying

2192
01:21:58,729 --> 01:21:56,880
theoretically we can theoretically

2193
01:22:01,070 --> 01:21:58,739
whether you call it the akashic records

2194
01:22:02,990 --> 01:22:01,080
the cosmic memory or whatever because we

2195
01:22:04,370 --> 01:22:03,000
are all extent like you said in our

2196
01:22:06,350 --> 01:22:04,380
Consciousness episode we talked about

2197
01:22:08,630 --> 01:22:06,360
we're all fractal

2198
01:22:10,669 --> 01:22:08,640
um impressions of the original Source

2199
01:22:12,709 --> 01:22:10,679
the original mind

2200
01:22:15,649 --> 01:22:12,719
we in

2201
01:22:17,630 --> 01:22:15,659
in real

2202
01:22:19,550 --> 01:22:17,640
possibility

2203
01:22:22,430 --> 01:22:19,560
have access to everything that there's

2204
01:22:24,770 --> 01:22:22,440
no piece of information in space or time

2205
01:22:25,669 --> 01:22:24,780
anywhere at any time that's not

2206
01:22:27,530 --> 01:22:25,679
available

2207
01:22:29,810 --> 01:22:27,540
and some of these others are working

2208
01:22:32,090 --> 01:22:29,820
with that kind of capacity right and so

2209
01:22:34,250 --> 01:22:32,100
some of i as I've said to you in some of

2210
01:22:36,050 --> 01:22:34,260
our private conversations that makes

2211
01:22:37,550 --> 01:22:36,060
the tricky trying to figure out what's

2212
01:22:39,290 --> 01:22:37,560
going on in a match is because some of

2213
01:22:41,510 --> 01:22:39,300
these others are working

2214
01:22:42,850 --> 01:22:41,520
at various points in art

2215
01:22:44,990 --> 01:22:42,860
time

2216
01:22:47,630 --> 01:22:45,000
simultaneously so they can be working in

2217
01:22:49,430 --> 01:22:47,640
different decades towards a certain end

2218
01:22:50,990 --> 01:22:49,440
and pulling different levers from those

2219
01:22:52,490 --> 01:22:51,000
different what look to us like linear

2220
01:22:54,350 --> 01:22:52,500
points right that's not what they really

2221
01:22:56,390 --> 01:22:54,360
are but that's what they look to us so

2222
01:22:57,709 --> 01:22:56,400
it makes us kind of behind the eight

2223
01:22:59,390 --> 01:22:57,719
ball in terms of understanding what's

2224
01:23:01,370 --> 01:22:59,400
going on because we can only understand

2225
01:23:03,950 --> 01:23:01,380
things in terms of cause and effect a

2226
01:23:06,410 --> 01:23:03,960
equals b equal or a to B to C that's not

2227
01:23:08,030 --> 01:23:06,420
how they're working they're doing as uh

2228
01:23:10,250 --> 01:23:08,040
jomarkowski said to me you know that

2229
01:23:11,570 --> 01:23:10,260
it's kind of like you know 4D 5D chess

2230
01:23:12,709 --> 01:23:11,580
or whatever that's true what they're

2231
01:23:15,169 --> 01:23:12,719
doing

2232
01:23:16,850 --> 01:23:15,179
so we need to up our game we need to

2233
01:23:19,010 --> 01:23:16,860
develop those skills ourselves again

2234
01:23:22,490 --> 01:23:19,020
because we are fractal impressions of

2235
01:23:24,470 --> 01:23:22,500
that original mind we too can do this we

2236
01:23:26,990 --> 01:23:24,480
will do this in our future if we will

2237
01:23:29,810 --> 01:23:27,000
move towards it but but a hyper focal

2238
01:23:31,370 --> 01:23:29,820
focus on technology and external

2239
01:23:33,530 --> 01:23:31,380
technology specifically is the wrong

2240
01:23:36,590 --> 01:23:33,540
Focus we need to and it will be our

2241
01:23:38,689 --> 01:23:36,600
demise in as a civilization right if we

2242
01:23:40,850 --> 01:23:38,699
don't change course and recognize we

2243
01:23:43,550 --> 01:23:40,860
have to spend even more time and energy

2244
01:23:45,890 --> 01:23:43,560
and resources allocated to developing

2245
01:23:48,830 --> 01:23:45,900
inner Technologies inner science that

2246
01:23:50,570 --> 01:23:48,840
allows us to delve deep into the Bedrock

2247
01:23:53,110 --> 01:23:50,580
of all of Consciousness and begin to

2248
01:23:56,630 --> 01:23:53,120
swim there to move there to understand

2249
01:24:00,050 --> 01:23:56,640
that sort of functional apparatus

2250
01:24:01,790 --> 01:24:00,060
to really exist and thrive in this new

2251
01:24:03,229 --> 01:24:01,800
world that I say it's already here but

2252
01:24:05,930 --> 01:24:03,239
it for many people it's just slowly

2253
01:24:07,250 --> 01:24:05,940
coming into their awareness so this is

2254
01:24:08,990 --> 01:24:07,260
what we really need to do this is what I

2255
01:24:10,910 --> 01:24:09,000
would recommend to people

2256
01:24:13,550 --> 01:24:10,920
yes these were a lot of Concepts to try

2257
01:24:15,229 --> 01:24:13,560
to make sense of to juggle and yes at

2258
01:24:16,189 --> 01:24:15,239
your leisure do that as you find it

2259
01:24:18,530 --> 01:24:16,199
helpful

2260
01:24:20,990 --> 01:24:18,540
and and fascinating but spend as much

2261
01:24:23,630 --> 01:24:21,000
time if not more cultivating inner

2262
01:24:27,530 --> 01:24:23,640
awareness developing intuitive capacity

2263
01:24:29,810 --> 01:24:27,540
to dive directly into source so that you

2264
01:24:31,669 --> 01:24:29,820
can draw information Beyond just our

2265
01:24:33,169 --> 01:24:31,679
usual senses because you can't we all

2266
01:24:35,689 --> 01:24:33,179
have this capacity it's already been

2267
01:24:38,450 --> 01:24:35,699
shown so many times Dean Raiden's work

2268
01:24:40,250 --> 01:24:38,460
has made this abundantly clear all human

2269
01:24:42,290 --> 01:24:40,260
beings are psychic to different degrees

2270
01:24:43,850 --> 01:24:42,300
and we can grow these skills if we try

2271
01:24:46,070 --> 01:24:43,860
the

2272
01:24:47,630 --> 01:24:46,080
uh

2273
01:24:51,050 --> 01:24:47,640
we should

2274
01:24:53,510 --> 01:24:51,060
and uh I think that um you know your

2275
01:24:56,390 --> 01:24:53,520
point is is so well taken there that our

2276
01:25:00,290 --> 01:24:56,400
fixation on uh our technological

2277
01:25:03,590 --> 01:25:00,300
progress or the technology of

2278
01:25:07,070 --> 01:25:03,600
whatever others there may be we've got

2279
01:25:08,390 --> 01:25:07,080
this kind of uh fetishization of

2280
01:25:12,110 --> 01:25:08,400
Technology

2281
01:25:16,610 --> 01:25:12,120
that is incredibly unhealthy

2282
01:25:18,010 --> 01:25:16,620
um which by the way we all know it to be

2283
01:25:22,130 --> 01:25:18,020
unhealthy

2284
01:25:23,810 --> 01:25:22,140
uh but we feel like we are enslaved to

2285
01:25:26,090 --> 01:25:23,820
it and that should tell you something

2286
01:25:28,910 --> 01:25:26,100
right that should tell you and we all

2287
01:25:30,590 --> 01:25:28,920
have it's funny because we

2288
01:25:33,169 --> 01:25:30,600
you know we

2289
01:25:35,689 --> 01:25:33,179
we like to pretend that we don't have

2290
01:25:37,430 --> 01:25:35,699
these abilities yet we all use the the

2291
01:25:39,350 --> 01:25:37,440
notion to trust your gut you gotta

2292
01:25:40,610 --> 01:25:39,360
listen to your inner voice uh what does

2293
01:25:42,050 --> 01:25:40,620
that tell you you know if you're making

2294
01:25:43,370 --> 01:25:42,060
a big decision you know what does that

2295
01:25:45,709 --> 01:25:43,380
that tell you you should listen to that

2296
01:25:47,570 --> 01:25:45,719
not some sort of chart that you made on

2297
01:25:50,030 --> 01:25:47,580
a piece of paper uh putting down the

2298
01:25:51,229 --> 01:25:50,040
pros and the cons uh although you might

2299
01:25:53,689 --> 01:25:51,239
still do that

2300
01:25:56,570 --> 01:25:53,699
so these are

2301
01:25:59,330 --> 01:25:56,580
ideas that we are I think intimately

2302
01:26:02,570 --> 01:25:59,340
familiar with uh and and familiar with

2303
01:26:04,970 --> 01:26:02,580
in ways that are that transcend our

2304
01:26:09,350 --> 01:26:04,980
connection to our devices

2305
01:26:12,770 --> 01:26:09,360
and uh we almost need to be shaken out

2306
01:26:14,629 --> 01:26:12,780
of our our trance our stupor uh and you

2307
01:26:16,430 --> 01:26:14,639
know given a cold shower or something

2308
01:26:19,010 --> 01:26:16,440
just be like look I mean

2309
01:26:21,530 --> 01:26:19,020
this isn't it I mean there's there's

2310
01:26:23,270 --> 01:26:21,540
great stuff about that and and

2311
01:26:27,169 --> 01:26:23,280
tremendous things that can come from

2312
01:26:30,470 --> 01:26:27,179
technology don't get me wrong but our uh

2313
01:26:33,649 --> 01:26:30,480
our rabid you know pursuit of it over

2314
01:26:35,810 --> 01:26:33,659
anything else uh or basically throwing

2315
01:26:37,790 --> 01:26:35,820
people it's like think of the the uh the

2316
01:26:39,590 --> 01:26:37,800
Black Friday you know scenes at Walmart

2317
01:26:41,390 --> 01:26:39,600
you know people getting trampled just so

2318
01:26:43,310 --> 01:26:41,400
that somebody can get a you know save a

2319
01:26:46,310 --> 01:26:43,320
100 bucks on a television set or

2320
01:26:49,189 --> 01:26:46,320
something I mean that is what is wrong

2321
01:26:51,350 --> 01:26:49,199
with with Humanity

2322
01:26:52,910 --> 01:26:51,360
um and I think we all know that on some

2323
01:26:56,750 --> 01:26:52,920
level

2324
01:26:59,090 --> 01:26:56,760
um and so if you are

2325
01:27:01,070 --> 01:26:59,100
if you were if you were an advanced

2326
01:27:03,649 --> 01:27:01,080
civilization if you were you know at

2327
01:27:05,570 --> 01:27:03,659
that Galactic Council chair you know and

2328
01:27:07,490 --> 01:27:05,580
you're you're trying to make decisions

2329
01:27:09,770 --> 01:27:07,500
uh

2330
01:27:12,709 --> 01:27:09,780
would you want to welcome Humanity you

2331
01:27:16,070 --> 01:27:12,719
know into that equation right now

2332
01:27:18,410 --> 01:27:16,080
probably not right uh and so you have to

2333
01:27:20,270 --> 01:27:18,420
have a long conversation about you know

2334
01:27:23,510 --> 01:27:20,280
can we do this should we do this at all

2335
01:27:25,970 --> 01:27:23,520
uh you know is it okay

2336
01:27:27,830 --> 01:27:25,980
um and and I think that's a topic that

2337
01:27:30,350 --> 01:27:27,840
we should revisit on another episode

2338
01:27:31,550 --> 01:27:30,360
because the last one that I was going to

2339
01:27:32,990 --> 01:27:31,560
get to and I'm not even going to bring

2340
01:27:34,189 --> 01:27:33,000
it up because if I bring it up we're

2341
01:27:35,810 --> 01:27:34,199
going to spend another hour talking

2342
01:27:38,030 --> 01:27:35,820
about it I think it's a it's really it's

2343
01:27:40,729 --> 01:27:38,040
on episode probably

2344
01:27:44,689 --> 01:27:40,739
um because it does tie into all of these

2345
01:27:47,810 --> 01:27:44,699
ideas uh you know why is it why is this

2346
01:27:50,570 --> 01:27:47,820
happening now what does it all mean uh

2347
01:27:53,689 --> 01:27:50,580
what is our purpose you know

2348
01:27:56,510 --> 01:27:53,699
um you know the when and Cycles you know

2349
01:27:58,310 --> 01:27:56,520
uh so I think we're gonna hit that in a

2350
01:27:59,510 --> 01:27:58,320
future episode

2351
01:28:01,070 --> 01:27:59,520
um

2352
01:28:02,689 --> 01:28:01,080
but man it's been good to kind of cover

2353
01:28:04,850 --> 01:28:02,699
these things and I and look we've

2354
01:28:06,350 --> 01:28:04,860
covered them and I still think it's a

2355
01:28:08,149 --> 01:28:06,360
little it's a little bit wacky I get it

2356
01:28:11,390 --> 01:28:08,159
I mean people are gonna I mean really

2357
01:28:13,490 --> 01:28:11,400
it's there's a lot to digest here and uh

2358
01:28:17,090 --> 01:28:13,500
I think it's okay to

2359
01:28:19,189 --> 01:28:17,100
to both entertain these ideas and accept

2360
01:28:20,810 --> 01:28:19,199
portions of them reject portions of them

2361
01:28:22,970 --> 01:28:20,820
you know everybody's got to kind of feel

2362
01:28:24,890 --> 01:28:22,980
their way through this

2363
01:28:26,689 --> 01:28:24,900
um and it's a conversation we're not

2364
01:28:28,610 --> 01:28:26,699
trying to say you know this is exactly

2365
01:28:31,550 --> 01:28:28,620
how it is and you should believe X we're

2366
01:28:33,590 --> 01:28:31,560
really just wanting folks to examine the

2367
01:28:36,290 --> 01:28:33,600
biases that they have about why some of

2368
01:28:38,990 --> 01:28:36,300
these Notions uh are rejected outright

2369
01:28:40,430 --> 01:28:39,000
and question them and then revisit some

2370
01:28:41,930 --> 01:28:40,440
of that as well and say you know I mean

2371
01:28:43,250 --> 01:28:41,940
maybe I'm not maybe I am wrong maybe

2372
01:28:45,470 --> 01:28:43,260
there is something to this and what

2373
01:28:48,050 --> 01:28:45,480
would that be I mean if that's true what

2374
01:28:49,490 --> 01:28:48,060
does that mean for the way things are

2375
01:28:51,229 --> 01:28:49,500
now what does it mean for me as an

2376
01:28:53,149 --> 01:28:51,239
individual and is for and for us

2377
01:28:55,010 --> 01:28:53,159
collectively

2378
01:28:56,689 --> 01:28:55,020
yeah and I think you know to close here

2379
01:28:59,750 --> 01:28:56,699
I can just sort of give the analogy of

2380
01:29:01,669 --> 01:28:59,760
when people pursue spiritual training or

2381
01:29:03,649 --> 01:29:01,679
spiritual growth practices

2382
01:29:04,850 --> 01:29:03,659
the vast majority of people do that

2383
01:29:07,129 --> 01:29:04,860
because they think it's going to make

2384
01:29:10,310 --> 01:29:07,139
them feel better right I mean not many

2385
01:29:12,229 --> 01:29:10,320
people go my life's too easy and things

2386
01:29:13,790 --> 01:29:12,239
are just going great I think I'm gonna

2387
01:29:15,950 --> 01:29:13,800
you know

2388
01:29:17,330 --> 01:29:15,960
pursue some really hardcore like Zen

2389
01:29:19,970 --> 01:29:17,340
training or something so my life will

2390
01:29:22,550 --> 01:29:19,980
suck and I'll feel disappointed and and

2391
01:29:24,050 --> 01:29:22,560
aggravate it no of course not we we do

2392
01:29:26,930 --> 01:29:24,060
things we're motivated by making our

2393
01:29:28,490 --> 01:29:26,940
life simpler easier smoother right right

2394
01:29:31,070 --> 01:29:28,500
because the truth is there's plenty that

2395
01:29:32,629 --> 01:29:31,080
is challenging in Modern Life and so the

2396
01:29:35,149 --> 01:29:32,639
things that we do have control over we

2397
01:29:37,689 --> 01:29:35,159
kind of want to cultivate more calm

2398
01:29:40,129 --> 01:29:37,699
right not not more turmoil

2399
01:29:42,410 --> 01:29:40,139
so when people approach something like

2400
01:29:44,090 --> 01:29:42,420
the UFO phenomenon which most people get

2401
01:29:45,890 --> 01:29:44,100
into kind of as a fascinating kind of

2402
01:29:49,010 --> 01:29:45,900
sci-fi topic right it's fun it's

2403
01:29:52,010 --> 01:29:49,020
exciting it's next Generation right

2404
01:29:54,649 --> 01:29:52,020
so it stays fun until you start coming

2405
01:29:56,090 --> 01:29:54,659
across evidence that starts pulling the

2406
01:29:57,470 --> 01:29:56,100
rug out from underneath you and you said

2407
01:29:59,330 --> 01:29:57,480
you say wait a second hey I didn't sign

2408
01:30:01,310 --> 01:29:59,340
up for this you know I I said I wanted

2409
01:30:03,709 --> 01:30:01,320
to some cool sci-fi stuff you know like

2410
01:30:05,689 --> 01:30:03,719
give me some side phenomena give me some

2411
01:30:08,030 --> 01:30:05,699
anti-grav technology that's good stuff

2412
01:30:10,729 --> 01:30:08,040
right yeah it makes me sleep better but

2413
01:30:11,750 --> 01:30:10,739
the notion that there's these vast array

2414
01:30:13,729 --> 01:30:11,760
of beings that are psychically

2415
01:30:14,870 --> 01:30:13,739
influencing me to such a degree that I

2416
01:30:16,310 --> 01:30:14,880
don't even know where it's not I'm not

2417
01:30:18,770 --> 01:30:16,320
even aware it's happening that's not

2418
01:30:20,450 --> 01:30:18,780
what I signed up for right you saying

2419
01:30:23,330 --> 01:30:20,460
that I have to develop this inner

2420
01:30:26,149 --> 01:30:23,340
science to cultivate inner technologies

2421
01:30:29,209 --> 01:30:26,159
that allowed me to operate on this

2422
01:30:31,070 --> 01:30:29,219
porous terrain of interpenetrating

2423
01:30:33,950 --> 01:30:31,080
consciousnesses I don't remember signing

2424
01:30:35,629 --> 01:30:33,960
up for that right sorry I get it right

2425
01:30:37,850 --> 01:30:35,639
but this is in play and like you say

2426
01:30:39,709 --> 01:30:37,860
we're not asking anyone to believe this

2427
01:30:41,750 --> 01:30:39,719
prematurely it's you know everyone's on

2428
01:30:43,310 --> 01:30:41,760
their own journey I understand that I've

2429
01:30:45,050 --> 01:30:43,320
you know have some people who said to me

2430
01:30:46,970 --> 01:30:45,060
well sure you're saying you've seen

2431
01:30:48,350 --> 01:30:46,980
evidence so why should I take it as true

2432
01:30:50,450 --> 01:30:48,360
when when you're saying you've seen it

2433
01:30:53,209 --> 01:30:50,460
but I haven't seen it fair point I mean

2434
01:30:54,470 --> 01:30:53,219
if I hadn't seen and been privy to some

2435
01:30:55,669 --> 01:30:54,480
of the things I've come across I

2436
01:30:57,470 --> 01:30:55,679
probably would not hold some of the

2437
01:30:59,990 --> 01:30:57,480
positions I do now because like you say

2438
01:31:01,850 --> 01:31:00,000
they are very far-fetched based on a

2439
01:31:03,410 --> 01:31:01,860
conventional understanding they are very

2440
01:31:06,010 --> 01:31:03,420
discombobulating we have to say that

2441
01:31:10,010 --> 01:31:06,020
word at least once an episode at least

2442
01:31:11,390 --> 01:31:10,020
and disconcerting right so and yet

2443
01:31:13,669 --> 01:31:11,400
um there's also an opportunity here

2444
01:31:16,070 --> 01:31:13,679
there's a destabilization periods you go

2445
01:31:19,010 --> 01:31:16,080
through but also at the end of all that

2446
01:31:21,229 --> 01:31:19,020
When the Smoke Clears says they say it

2447
01:31:22,970 --> 01:31:21,239
reveals a horizon of potential and

2448
01:31:26,149 --> 01:31:22,980
possibility that I think is also

2449
01:31:29,330 --> 01:31:26,159
beckoning us to step into and to become

2450
01:31:30,830 --> 01:31:29,340
a new Humanity together and I would

2451
01:31:32,390 --> 01:31:30,840
argue that we can get into this in our

2452
01:31:35,390 --> 01:31:32,400
next episode like you say

2453
01:31:38,030 --> 01:31:35,400
the the the the pressures that are

2454
01:31:39,850 --> 01:31:38,040
coming across us right now that is

2455
01:31:42,290 --> 01:31:39,860
building up on our reality are actually

2456
01:31:44,330 --> 01:31:42,300
pointing towards the fact that we need

2457
01:31:45,890 --> 01:31:44,340
to take that step so it's not just a

2458
01:31:48,410 --> 01:31:45,900
voluntary thing I think we really need

2459
01:31:50,450 --> 01:31:48,420
to recognize our civilizations at a

2460
01:31:51,430 --> 01:31:50,460
Tipping Point and we need to change

2461
01:31:53,510 --> 01:31:51,440
course

2462
01:31:55,850 --> 01:31:53,520
here here

2463
01:31:58,250 --> 01:31:55,860
I look forward to that conversation I

2464
01:32:00,950 --> 01:31:58,260
want to thank all of our listeners and

2465
01:32:04,250 --> 01:32:00,960
uh appreciate all of you who are along

2466
01:32:06,590 --> 01:32:04,260
for the ride on this show uh we very

2467
01:32:09,050 --> 01:32:06,600
much appreciate hearing from you and

2468
01:32:12,110 --> 01:32:09,060
having a conversation wherever you may

2469
01:32:14,450 --> 01:32:12,120
find us and on that note

2470
01:32:17,030 --> 01:32:14,460
May the quality of our questions shaped

2471
01:32:19,729 --> 01:32:17,040
by a desire for understanding enhance

2472
01:32:21,410 --> 01:32:19,739
our journey of Discovery and may our

2473
01:32:23,510 --> 01:32:21,420
travels broaden the sphere of our

2474
01:32:27,129 --> 01:32:23,520
Consciousness reminding us that new

2475
01:32:29,270 --> 01:32:27,139
discoveries beget New Horizons as always

2476
01:32:31,189 --> 01:32:29,280
Adventure awaits

2477
01:32:35,110 --> 01:32:31,199
we'll see you next time on liminal

2478
01:32:38,910 --> 01:32:37,240
[Music]

2479
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[Laughter]